Rude Awakening for Federal Way Woman Who Got Shout-Out From President – Can’t Afford Obamacare Policy After All

After Jessica Sanford Sends Fan Letter to Obama for Making Insurance Affordable, State Says She Must Pay Full Ticket

By Erik Smith
Washington State Wire

Recognized by President: Jessica Sanford of Federal Way.

Recognized by President: Jessica Sanford of Federal Way.

OLYMPIA, Nov. 17.—Jessica Sanford, the Federal Way woman who got a shout-out from President Obama last month with her fan letter for the Affordable Care Act, got a rather rude awakening last week. Turns out she doesn’t qualify for a tax credit after all.

At least that’s what the letter said that she got from the state. Now she says her dream of affordable health insurance has gone poof. She can’t afford it. She’ll have to go without. “I’m really terribly embarrassed,” she says. “It has completely turned around on me. I mean, completely.”

Chalk it up to a bollixed-up state website that apparently still has major problems. Originally it said Sanford and her child would get a whopping tax credit that would reduce their total premium to $169 a month. Now the state is telling her it goofed – twice – and she has to pay full ticket. There may even be a third goof involved: At least one health-insurance broker says she may qualify for a tax credit after all, albeit a small one. Officials at the state Healthplanfinder website could not be contacted Sunday night. But it just goes to show that even in the state of Washington, which has earned national kudos for a health-insurance exchange that seems to function better than the dysfunctional federal website, there are big, big problems.

“They have to own up to what is going on,” Sanford says. “They have to fix it. They can’t just go around and say this is working great. In my opinion they ought to shut it down and just get all of it straightened out.”

Sanford’s tale may not be all that unusual amid the national furor over Obamacare’s sputtering start. But it is particularly embarrassing because the president himself mentioned it in a speech, calling it a success story that makes the case for the program. These days fan letters are few and far between.

Shout-Out from Prez

Obama mentions Sanford in Oct. 21 speech from White House Rose Garden.

Obama mentions Sanford in Oct. 21 speech from White House Rose Garden.

Obama related Sanford’s story in remarks from the Rose Garden last Oct. 21: “I recently received a letter from a woman named Jessica Sanford in Washington state, and here’s what she wrote. ‘I am a single mom, no child support, self-employed, and I haven’t had health insurance for 15 years because it is too expensive. My son has ADHD and requires regular doctor visits, and his meds alone cost $250 a month. I have had an ongoing tendinitis problem due to my line of work that I haven’t had treated. Now, finally, we get to have coverage because of the ACA for $169 a month. I was crying the other day when I signed up. So much stress lifted.’

The president went on: “Now, that is not untypical for a lot of folks like Jessica who have been struggling without health insurance. That is what the Affordable Care Act is all about.”

Sanford’s story might be typical, all right – but not in the way anyone thought, not anyone at the White House, and certainly not Sanford herself.

Sanford and Son

Yes, Sanford says, it was all true at the time she wrote the letter. She was ecstatic when she discovered she could sign up for a health plan that covered all her needs at a reasonable price. As a freelance court reporter, Sanford, 48, doesn’t make a lot – a little less than $50,000 a year. That doesn’t go very far when there is a child in the household and his father doesn’t pay child support. Her 14-year-old son Ryan requires a special prescription medication that must be compounded. Before the Affordable Care Act came along, she was getting rate quotes of $500 and $600 a month. She just couldn’t afford health insurance, and her health care costs left her strapped.

That’s why she was one of the eager customers who was ready to sign up the moment the state website opened for business on Oct. 1. Washington is one of 14 states that went its own way, building its own site rather than relying on what turned out to be an error-plagued federal system. Although a computer glitch shut down the Washington Healthplanfinder website the first day, by Oct. 3, with the help of a broker, Sanford managed to enroll in a “gold”-level health plan offered by Premera Blue Cross.

The savings were tremendous. Thanks to the tax credit, Sanford qualified for a discount of $452 a month. “I was looking at it, and you know, it was like it was amazing. How was I supposed to know?”

Sanford was so happy that she wrote a thank-you note to President Obama and dropped it in the mail. One of the president’s speechwriters contacted her and asked if he could use her story. When the president used her name she says it was one of the proudest moments of her life. “To think I would finally be covered if anything happened – I was so relieved.”

Then came the bad news.

Big Goof by State

Four days after President Obama made his address, the state health exchange publicly revealed a grevious error – its tax-credit calculations were all wrong. The state had been submitting monthly income information to the federal data hub, but the federal computers were expecting an annual figure. Suppose a person claimed an income of $50,000 a year — the tax credit was based on an income of $4,166 a year. The higher the income, the bigger the error. Brokers say they caught the mistake right off the bat and tried flagging it to the state’s attention, but for some reason it took the state three weeks to acknowledge it. So everyone who purchased a subsidized health insurance policy through the Washington state exchange prior to Oct. 23 was quoted too low a rate. The mistake involved 4,600 policies covering 8,000 people – Sanford’s policy was one of them.

The state sent a letter saying mistakes were made. And so she went back to her broker and tried again. They went over her income and made a more careful calculation of her business tax write-offs. But this time the website showed she qualified for a much lower tax credit, just $110.

With a gulp, she signed up for a less-expensive “silver” plan from Premera – meaning that it had higher deductibles and copays. Still her premium went up. “I knew I would be struggling in my slow months. I didn’t know how I was going to do it. But honestly, I just wanted to get it in my budget and start working on it right away and start working on saving money toward it – that was all I could do, just work at it and hope for the best and try to take the money from here or there or wherever.”

Sanford had managed to save enough money for half of the first month’s payment when she got another letter from the state last week. It had goofed again. She qualified for no tax credit at all.

Medicaid Eligibility Becomes Problem

The hitch was that the website told her that her income was low enough that she could enroll her son in the state Medicaid program for children of low-income families, known as Apple Health. For that she would have to pay a premium of just $30 a month. She could enroll him right away, and she did. But that created a problem. When she enrolled Ryan in Medicaid, she couldn’t count him toward a tax credit. Not that the website mentioned it. In fact, it gave her the opposite impression.

Once the new health insurance policy kicked in on Jan. 1, the premium was supposed to be $280 a month, plus, she assumed, the Medicaid premium. But after she signed up for a policy, and after she gave her credit-card information, she got a letter from the state last week saying that her income was too high to qualify for subsidies – the cutoff is $44,680 for a single adult, 400 percent of the federal poverty level. So she would get no help from the feds at all.

“I was dumbfounded,” she said. “I thought this was a total mistake, they’re going to correct this — this isn’t true. How could I not qualify for a tax credit? I make under $50,000 a year. There’s got to be something. So I got ahold of my broker, and a couple of days later he called me back, and he told me that no, it was true.”

Now she says her health-insurance dream has gone bust. Without a tax credit she has to consider the cheapest “bronze” level plans, but the deductibles are so high that couldn’t afford to purchase prescription medication. “I was like, forget that – I’m not going to pay.”

So now she is looking forward to no health insurance at all. Under the terms of the Affordable Care Act, she will have to pay a penalty of $95.

Customers Get Runaround

Tumwater insurance broker Vernon Bonfield.

Tumwater insurance broker Vernon Bonfield.

The strange thing about the story is that there may be a third mistake involved, says Tumwater insurance broker Vernon Bonfield. He says Sanford’s son should never have been enrolled in Medicaid in the first place. The Apple Health program is supposed to be offered only to those who make less than 300 percent of the federal poverty level. Sanford makes 316 percent. Yet for some reason, he says the state website seems to be enrolling children in Medicaid who don’t qualify for it. “It could very well be that there is another calculator error – I made them aware of it last week, and they said they would look into it.”

Error or not, it points up another big problem with the state system, Bonfield says – the state website makes it easy to sign up a child for Medicaid, but it doesn’t explain the drastic consequences for the tax-credit calculation, and after a child is enrolled, it doesn’t allow customers to change their minds. And while there is a procedure allowing people to disenroll their children in Medicaid, Bonfield says it is hard enough for brokers to get answers about it – imagine what it must be like for a consumer. “It is just mind-boggling.”

The way the program works is a bit complicated. When households with incomes up to 200 percent of the federal poverty level sign up for health insurance at the state exchange, their children are automatically enrolled in the Medicaid program – there is no choice about it. Those who make between 200 and 250 percent of the federal poverty level can enroll their children with a premium of $20 a month per child, with a maximum of $40. Those who make between 250 percent and 300 percent pay a premium of $30 a month.

Those who make between 200 percent and 300 percent are supposed to be able to opt out of the program. But the process isn’t explained anywhere online, and it wasn’t until last week that Bonfield found someone to explain it to him. Customers have to call the state Health Care Authority’s toll-free number, 1 (855) 623-9357 and ask to have their children disenrolled, wait for a day for the website to update, then go back to the health-exchange website and re-enroll in a qualified health plan.

In practice it doesn’t necessarily work that way. Bonfield has had other customers in the same boat. He tells of one who called the state Health Care Authority to disenroll her child. “The lady on the phone said ‘No, you can’t do that, and you won’t get any tax credits if you do,’ which is the opposite of what I told her. And then she was told she had to call the Healthplanfinder – they’re the ones who can do that. Then she called the Healthplanfinder and they said, no, you have to call the Health Care Authority – they’re the ones who run Apple Health. And she said, they are the ones who just sent me to you. And then the person from the Healthplanfinder sent her to the Office of the Insurance Commissioner, and of course the OIC’s answer was, ‘we don’t have anything to do with the Healthplanfinder, at least when it comes to complaints.’ “

But Bonfield says he has one customer last week who managed to get through on the phone to the Health Care Authority to disenroll his children — so it must be possible.

No Beef With Obama

Sanford has been trying to flag the state’s attention – she posted a note on the state Healthplanfinder Facebook page Friday, sent letters to every state official she could think of. She has gotten at least one response so far, a public note from the Healthplanfinder staff on its Facebook page that says, “Jessica, we are very sad and disappointed that the tax credit miscalculation affected you so heavily.”

She says she wants to make it clear she has no beef with Obama and Obamacare. She still believes in the Affordable Care Act. “I don’t want this to be a political thing,” she says. “I don’t want to be bashing the president. I don’t want to be bashing the ACA. I don’t want to come across as saying that. I am a big Obama fan.

“But to me there is a big problem with the way the state is handling it. It is like a big machine – you put your stuff in there and once you do it, it is impossible to do anything. You can’t get through to them [on the phone], the website is really limited. So you are stuck on this big treadmill of bureaucracy, and you know, it feels very out of control.”

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  • jennypoulsonsanders

    The last paragraph says it all. Did she think a big bureaucratic machine like the government was actually going to turn out different? Has she been to the DMV?

    • ChronicKindness

      Somebody wake me up when we have a new president.

      • ice

        The next president will be democrat again so you will be sleep for a long time mr. republican

        • ChronicKindness

          Hillary will be better then this ACORN community organizer. Wake me up when Bill is back in the white house and has a new intern.

          • heenan73


          • Ingeborg m

            Those ‘Racist’ threats don,t work anymore, heenan73. He is not hated because he is black, but because he is so very bad at what he does. He will be known as the worst President ever, not just as the first black President!

          • Aldorann

            Racist? That’s all you got huh? I think this resident is such a disaster that his race will merely be a footnote in history.

          • athrillofhope

            … well, first HALF black, at least.

            There are plenty of godly, conservative, truth-seeking black people I have supported for President in the past that put to shame nearly every person now serving in government. But the reverse-racism is so rancid that they can not even get a sounding board.

            Dr. Ben Carson is someone I’m carefully watching, to see if he makes a bid for it. He is one of the finest brain surgeons in history. He just happens to be a black man.

          • Jeff Hayes

            I think Heenan73 was being sarcastic.

          • athrillofhope

            Oh. ….

            Never mind.

          • BwB

            You are ALL idiots…take a moment and READ and understand before you shoot your mouths off…you have collective amnesia about the last administration and the horrific things that occured then. You all are clearly ignorant of the industrial insurance machine that reaps massive profits as normal folks try and make ends meet on high deductible plans that cover very little. You think the affordable care act is just a screwed up website that Obama can’t fix? Wake up…the most capable president EVER can’t get the health insurance scams fixed…particularly sense half the elected officials in Washington are on the payroll of these horrible companies… SO PLEASE take the time to understand the REAL issues and speak from knowledge and not from what you get from 24 hour “news”

          • athrillofhope

            Ah! There we go! (I’m going to ignore your insults.) The GOVERNMENT ITSELF is complicit in the current state of affairs in messing up the health insurance scenario we have in this nation.

            Then how on earth can we expect the government, which IS the problem, to be the SOLUTION?

            Doesn’t this sound exactly like the housing bubble we just came through? Yes, it does.

            Remove the anti-competitive constraints that government has placed on health insurance, and a more competitive market usually irons out what really amount to little more than wrinkles in this situation. WHY can’t people shop across state lines for insurance? Because the GOVERNMENT forbids it. And WHY is that? My car insurance is from Texas. I get my music from another COUNTRY, for crying out loud.

            But when it comes to something as critical and life-threatening as health insurance, the governemt–FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON (wink, wink)–forbids competition what works fabulously in other sectors.

            And this is just one of the things the government does that created this mess.

            I think I know the answer why: CONTROL. Pure and simple. The ability to dictate who gets what, when, and why and for how much.

            Name a marxist country that has higher wages than a free enterprise market. You can’t, because it does not exist. For all of the bleeding boatload of emotion used to justify marxism’s labor structures–the same boatload of crap you see displayed in some of these responses here–the REAL reason for marxist control of labor markets: CONTROL. Who can make what, doing what, when and why and how.

            Period. If any of this socialist agenda crap was truly about concern for human beings, it would have been aborted by now. But just like Stalin and Hitler understood you have to use propaganda to sell your “message” (Stalin stated that if he could control Hollywood he could rule the world, and Hitler had Goebbels).

            It’s all about CONTROL. Pure and simple. The only question is: WHO is going to control your health care—YOU or a marxist or fascist dictator.

          • Troll LaLa Troll LaLaLa

            This is probably one of the best responses I’ve read in a very long time. And I spend a LOT of time trolling on threads.

            Rarely do i take the time to post a non-sarky response to what I’ve read.

            Seriously, thank you for your contribution. Your points are very valid and well-stated.

          • athrillofhope

            By the way, my wife works in the medical industry, with doctors, surgeons and insurance companies. Yes, it’s true, there are dishonest insurance people, just like there are dishonest doctors and surgeons and OOPS! POLITICIANS!

            That is not the point there. The point IS: what system is the most capable health care delivery system.

            Let’s see: the past 100 years of history clearly shows that by far the best health care system in the world has been created by FREE MARKET ENTERPRISE, and the LESS government involvement you have, the better everything is.

            This is not even debatable in an intelligent manner.

            Why are we “convinced” that health care is “such a mess”? Because for the past 20 years we have been inundated with propaganda by Hollywood movies, newscasts, et al … trying to convince us of this. It reallly is nothing more than Stalin’s edict that “… if [he] could control Hollywood, [he] could control the world …”

            Propaganda. And the best propaganda is mixed with a little truth. Sure there is corruption everywhere because HUMANS ARE CORRUPT. However, I have never even heard of the levels of corruption in private industry that I’ve witnessed in several Administrations (Kennedy, LBJ, FDR,Bush, Sr., Clinton, and Obama): murder, lies, deceit, money laundering, presidential assassinations and attempted assassinations, calling a mass murdering of 200 million people “Uncle Joe” (FDR calling Stalin this) ….

            The Founders knew all this. Human being are wicked to the core. That is why we need a BALANCE OF POWER, as designed in the Constitution. Anything the consolidates power in government is wrong, such as ObamaCare, Marxism, etc …

          • saltydawg77

            Lessee, humans are “wicked to the core” so we need to leave our healthcare to for-profit insurance companies and hospitals whose overriding goal is profit maximization– not keeping us alive or even healthy. Why? ‘Cause COMMUNISM.

            BTW, 1950 called and wants it’s Red Paranoia back.

          • athrillofhope

            Nice try. Deflecting attention from the main point of how our nation is founded upon the need for a balance of power.

            Lessee … so you deny that humans are wicked to the core as some archaic notion (which is, gee, an archaic notion itself). By doing so, you seem to want to “justify” that a concentration of power in the hands of the few is somehow “good” simply because it’s government? As if the humans involved in government are somehow different from the humans running private corporations?

            My, what are you smoking? Humans are humans–they are all the same. And if the private corporations are corrupt because of the people running them, then government is corrupt as well by the same token.

            Which is exactly my point: the Founders understood this (being truth-seekers) and created a system of government that would avoid another “King George”, or in today’s terms, a socialistic dictatorship.

            Socialized government institutionalizes the very scenario you use to criticize private enterprise. Socialized government is legalized monopoly, in which the people then have no place to turn when their healthcare is cut-off because they are found to be “inconvenient”. It’s funny how left-wingers like yourself can convince yourselves that the same government that is at murderous war with the unborn, the traditional family, Christians and Jews will somehow be the source of “goodness” and “justice” when it comes to any other area.

          • kmac1969

            You are delusional. Get some professional care.

          • Pete Poulos

            Oh yeah here we go again. Are there any Democrat Administrations that did any wrong?

          • fliteking

            Well said.

          • Ralph Sampson

            What he does??? He doesn’t DO anything. Remember, everything that’s happened, he finds out about it from the newspaper.

          • James Paterson

            How do you know you’ve won an argument with a democrat? When they call you a racist! You cannot call someone a racist just because they dont like the president! Hes a douchebag no matter the color of his skin. Trying to throw off his critics by calling them racist just doesn’t hold water anymore and it takes away from when real racism rears its ugly head!

          • SWohio

            Excellent point.

            The ‘racist’, ‘hater’ and ‘bigot’ are liberal code for ‘I have no cogent argument to make so I will call you all the worn-out names on the liberal talking points memo. I do this because I am too stupid to think for myself.’

          • DenverDiva

            I say call them racists (hates whites), bigot (hates Christianity) and hater (hates heterosexuals) and throw that shit right back in their faces – mindless idiots.

          • Monty Saylor

            As far as I’m concerned it never held water,just shows very low IQ.

          • Dustin W. Taunton

            Plus he’s half white! Oprah is a racist…believe it! Obamacare sucks. It aint Bush’s fault. If Hillary is elected then we are screwed for 16 years and people are dumber than they look. Wake up! Put the koolaide down and drink some TEA!!! hellyeah!!!

          • DoubleHelix

            Hell yeah, bring back early post colonial America or post civil war America, shit was great then!! Child labor, women’s inequality, slavery, indentured servitude, oppressive monopolies for employers, horrible living conditions, rancid water sources, uncontrolled pollution, high child mortality, polio, oh how I yearn for the good ole days.

          • DoubleHelix

            How do you know you’ve won a argument with a conservative? When they call you a fascist NAZI socialist commie. The fact that his approval rating is even in the 40s is a miracle considering the current state of politics in DC. Approval ratings change like the wind, take for example, when G.W. spiked to 90% on Sep 21-22, 2001. Does anyone really believe he had a 90% approval rating? It was a pure case of nationalistic pride. Obama’s ratings are a reflection of frustrations with DC, a sense that he hasn’t done enough since winning the last two elections and misplaced and undeserved fear over the ACA roll out. The media has done a terrible job of delivering objective reporting on the ACA. They are, as usual, playing to peoples fear points seeking rating increases.

          • athrillofhope

            Nope, that’s not it. You can’t win an argument with a conservative because it’s not about “winning” or “losing”. It’s about TRUTH. And quite simply, the left-wing communist, OOPS!, er, “progressive” ideology is founded upon the belief that there is no such thing as absolute truth nor absolute morality.

            Therefore, the State = “god”, and therefore, all “rights” emanate from the State.

            Even science does not support the atheistic doctrines of modern-day communism such as Darwinian evolution or so-called “gay-marriage”.

          • DenverDiva

            no you’re raaaaaaaacccccccciiiiiiiiiissssssssttttttt because you hate white people.

          • Constitution First

            your race card is over-drawn

          • athrillofhope

            Calling someone a “racist” simply because they disagree with a (half) black man is perhaps the most racist thing going on today.

            People like you perpetuate racism and are not interested in ending its ugly reality because you feel it “empowers” you and “rationalizes” your own racist attitudes. In reality, your (reverse) racism is but a deflection from you lack of desire to take responsibility for own actions, for not seeking truth.

          • Gman

            Why does everyone keep calling Obama half-black? He is, at MOST, 25% black, since his mother is 100% white, and his father is 50% non-black Arabic.

          • athrillofhope

            Well, facts smacts … as long as the person is NOT WHITE then 1) they can NOT be racist, and 2) anything they say is “enlightened”, “sensitive”, “born of suffering” (at the hands of WHITE people), and “correct”; and 3) any criticism of this person is necessarily RACIST.

            I guess it does not matter what race they actually are as long as it ain’t white.

          • DoubleHelix

            You are wrong. Barack Obama’s father, Barack Obama Sr., was the son of two African Kenyans, Onyango Obama and Akumu Nyanjango. Both were of the Luo ethnic group. Neither of his parents were of Arab descent. Onyango converted from Roman Catholicism to Islam and took the name Hussein.

          • Gman

            Yeah … I’ve read wikipedia, too.

          • DoubleHelix

            Then you know that his paternal ancestry is also covered in his autobiography Dreams from My Father, published in 1995 and has been researched and reported on by contributor John Oywa, as well as various other outfits. Why do you spread or buy into conspiracy theories that are not backed by credible information. I suppose the Presidents entire life was a lifelong conspiracy by his mother to get a part Arab closet Muslim into the white house? Its laughable really.

            You’d also know that ancestral information for his mother indicates that she was descended from a historically significant Virginia slave named John Punch. Which, invalidates your claim that she is 100% ‘white’.

          • Gman

            Thou doth protest too much. I said nothing about Islam. Quite peculiar, yet, unsurprising that it was what you inferred, though. I give “Dreams of My Father” as much weight as you left-wing, kook-fringe types would give to an autobiography of someone like Rush Limbaugh or one of the Koch brothers. Since you’re so interested in African history, the Kenya/Tanzania/Sudan/Uganda region was, in fact, conquered and occupied during the Arab Conquest, which conquest spanned from ~700 A.D. to the 1500s A.D. As any rational person (and some irrational ones, for that matter) could imagine, there was intermarrying between Arabic and the indigenous. Furthermore, your math sucks. If BHO’s mom *was*, in fact, a descendent of John Punch (circa what? 1640? LMFAO!), being approx. 17 generations ago (based on approx. 22 years per generation, and that is being QUITE generous), her mother would have roughly 0.003% (no, not 3%, but three one-thousandths of a percent) African ancestry, making her 99.997% white. Save your pretentiousness, sanctimony, anecdotes, and cherry picking for those with whom you normally associate with, as they are more than likely the only ones who would 1) buy the garbage info you’re selling and 2) be impressed with said garbage. I, for one, find your ability to conduct research via wikipedia and your 115-125 IQ profoundly unimpressive.

          • DoubleHelix

            During the Arab Conquest, the only part of Africa where any significant influence was projected was throughout Northern Africa. The impacted countries included Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt. The only significant Arab
            period to affect the Eastern African countries you mentioned was during the Omani Arab era. Omani Arab influence was limited to the coastal areas and never reached the interior portions of the region.

            As for the ancestry of the President’s mother, the DNA speaks for itself and the research is credible. I have no reason to doubt it.

          • Gman

            I like how you used the very subjective modifier, “significant”. Significant to whom? YOU? You may want to consider perhaps taking a class on African history rather than relying on Wikipedia to conduct your research for you. Furthermore, your statement is curiously lacking a refutation of mine. I’d suggest moving on. This thread is stale, and it’s obvious that you’re bringing nothing new to the table.

          • HBlady

            Ok, I have looked over this exchange and I have noticed a few points that are problematic.
            • DoubleHelix and gman seem to have different definitions of the Arab Conquests. DoubleHelix seems to be talking of the period from 600-800, where primarily Arab armies spread Islam and conquered North Africa, West Asia and the Iranian plateau. Gman defines it as “the Arab Conquest, which conquest spanned from ~700 A.D. to the 1500s A.D.” which is a much broader definition, and he seems really to be talking about the spread of Islam.

            To this first point, it is really an issue of definitions. The Arab Conquests as an academic term is usually defined in the way you use it. That is, as a military conquest of Arab peoples of realms that belonged to the Eastern Roman Empire, Visigothic Spain, Sassanid Persia that lasted until around 800 AD.
            Gman’s use of a terminology of Arab Conquest to refer to the spread of Islam in East Africa is problematic in a few ways. Yes, there was a spread of Arab Islamic traders along the coast of East Africa from about 700 AD. However, Arab sea trade with East Africa probably predates Islam.
            Additionally, other non-Arab peoples who were Muslim quickly got into the trade. From 800-1000 AD, Persian traders from the Shiraz region become very prominent, and the leading family of the Kilwa Sultanate traces their origins to a Shirazi founder.

            • Gman takes the absolutist position that “Kenya/Tanzania/Sudan/Uganda region was, in fact, conquered and occupied” during this period from 700-1500.

            No. That is just flat out false. I will get into it more below, but Aside from the coast of Kenya and Tanzania, which had tremendous influence from Islam and from cultures of the Indian Ocean shore; there was not Muslim presence in Uganda, or inland Kenya or Tanzania until the 18th century. When Islam did reach those inland regions, it was conversion, and talk of a conquest and occupation is substantially inaccurate. However, the experience of Sudan is very different from the experience of Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania with Islam.

            • Responding to that, DoubleHelix says “that Eastern Africa, especially the interior, was not largely impacted by early Islam.”

            Be very careful here. Islam takes hold on the coast long before conversions take place inland. However, talking of the region being “impacted by Islam” can also entail things other than conversion to the religion.

            So, after 700 AD, there is the establishment of settlements at places like Mogadishu, Mombasa, the Pemba islands, Lamu Islands, Mafia Islands, Zanzibar, and Kilwa Kisiwani. These settlements were trading posts where muslim traders and local East African peoples dwelt together. As one might expect, there was much intermarriage between Arab, Persian, and Indian traders and local peoples. What developed were a metis people we know as Swahili.
            Therefore, in these settlements along the coast of East Africa, there was a very early and very important impact of Islam as a part of a larger cultural exchange with the peoples of the Indian Ocean basin.

            This cultural exchange included glass and porcelain items from India and Persia, adoption of architectural styles from Arabia, the establishment of Sufi monasteries at Mogadishu, adoption of Arab writing, and inclusion of Arab and Persian words into local Bantu language to produce the Kiswahili language.1 So, it went far beyond only religion.

            Additionally, this contact with the Indian Ocean trade did not stop at these coastal states. The city of Sofala, in what is now Mozambique, was established around 1200 AD in order conduct trade up the Zambezi River with the kingdom of Great Zimbabwe.

            In addition, we must acknowledge that an important aspect of contact was slave trading. It must be noted that the taking of slaves from East Africa occurs very early on, as al-Jaihiz refers to the practice in his mid-9th century tract the boast of the Blacks where he puts the following words into the mouth of a Zanj (east african) speaker
            “You have never seen the genuine Zanj. You have only seen captives who came from the coasts and forests and valleys of Qanbuluh, from our menials, our lower orders, and our slaves. The people of Qanbaluh have neither beauty nor intelligence. Qanbaluh is the name of the place by which your ships anchor.

            The natives in the Bilad Zanj are in both Qambalu (Pemba) and Lunjuya (Unguja), just as Arabs are the descendants of Adnan and Qahtan in the Middle East. You have yet to see a member of the Langawiya kind, either from the coast (al-Sawahil), or from the interior (al-Jouf). If you would meet these, you would forget the issue of fair looks and perfection. Now if you refuse to believe this, saying that you have yet to meet a Zanji with the brains even of a boy or a woman, we would reply to you, have you ever met among the enslaved of India and Sindh individuals with brains, education, culture and manners so as to expect these same qualities in what has fallen to you from among the Zanj.”

            As trade links between Swahili settlements and locals of the hinterland developed over time, trade extended further into the interior of the continent. A similar process occurred with slaving. The slave taking system intensified after the establishment of Omani domination in the early 18th century. In fact, by the 1870s, traders like Tippu Tip were travelling from Zanzibar all the way to what is now the eastern areas of the Democratic Republic of Congo on slave taking expeditions.

            On the other hand, DoubleHelix is correct when he/she noted that the practice of Islam and active conversion of peoples inland only really begins after 1725 during the Omani period. This conversion follows the paths of trade caravans into the interior.2

            As an example, when Europeans reached the Buganda kingdom along the northern shores of Lake Victoria in the late 19th century, the Muslims of that region had only been converted about a generation before.3 This accords well with our understanding that a trade route from Mombasa across the Maasai Mara to Lake Victoria only became possible in the early 19th century, and are only fully-established by midcentury.4

            • Gman’s claim that Barack Obama Sr was half white-Arab.

            Ok, well, I am going to be extremely careful here, because this has enormous potential to prompt politicized fighting.

            First, any claim that “such and such person is not half-african because they are really Arab” is problematic, because race is a social construct. Gman’s conceit that having ancestry that is Arab makes Barack Obama sr “half non-black arabic” relies entirely on how that person categorizes African to exclude Arab, or Arab to exclude black.

            It is true that there was intermarriage of Arab and East African peoples, as the existence of Swahili culture can attest. However, we should not assume their conceptions of ethnicity or race are the same as ours. For instance, a Sultan of Kilwa could have a mother from the Nyamwezi people, a paternal grandmother who was Ajuuran, a paternal great-grandmother who was Shaamba. Still, this Sultan might consider himself Yemeni because his illustrious paternal great-grandfather was a learned Ulama and went on Hajj.

            So, to say that Barack Obama Sr. was half-Arab, and thus the current president is one-quarter African is making a very strong statement on very uncertain ground, and is speaking of race and ethnicity as tangible objects when they are social constructs.

            Edit- these last few statements are not meant to imply Barack Obama sr had Arab ancestry or he did not. I do not know that family genealogy. I only mean to point out that in East Africa, there are plenty of people who have ancestry who have dwelt in East Africa for many generations, but still identify themselves as Arab. So, “not African because Arab” is wrong-headed.
            1. Trade and the spread of Islam in Africa talks generally about the spread of Islam into the Sahel kingdoms of West Africa as well as along the Swahili coast of Eastern Africa. However, the article is particularly useful for talking about the Islamic influence on the arts.
            2. Muslims in East Africa; their past and present section 2.
            3. Muslim Societies in Africa by David Robinson. Chapter 11- Buganda- Competition for the Kingdom. pp154.
            4. Muslim Societies in Africa; a Historical Anthology by Roman Loimeier. pp 242.
            I did not directly reference it here, but Nehmia Levtzion and Randall Pouwell’s History of Islam in Africa is also an informative text.

          • Gman

            Now *that* is bringing something to the table. Very informative, HBlady! Thank you ;-)

          • BOZ13

            Your comment is SOOOO over heenan’s head.

            Heenan say huh?!

          • fliteking

            Honest much?

          • ChronicKindness
          • ProgressiveNW

            Oh my… that is a well done video. Is there an Emmy category for political satire?

          • ChronicKindness

            Obama (almost) says he is sorry for lying. Again.


          • Freddie


          • Yoikes

            At LEAST Clinton was entertaining. And he actually worked with the other side to get things done. (This is in no way an endorsement of that slime!)

          • jjthetraveler

            Ya replace one incompetent with another.

          • Hillary?

            Adam Curry: “Hillary Clinton is uniquely suited to run our American Empire.”

          • Jeff

            Are you applying for the position?

        • Ingeborg m

          Don’t say that Ice! Even you must start to wonder…

        • grichens

          I agree with ice. It is fairly common knowledge in rural communities that when panicky livestock are led from a burning barn, their first impulse is to try and get back inside.

        • jackcandobutwont

          With ignorant uneducated fools like you voting for bobo, what are you soft heads really getting….other than lied to and screwed!!!

        • Pete Poulos

          What makes the Democrat party so wonderful? I don’t see too much difference between either party but why doesn’t anyone remember the civil rights workers being clobbered on tv by all those Dixiecrats? I just don’t understand how people are proud of that and also keep these politicians in office indefinitely?

          • DoubleHelix

            They were called Dixiecrats for a reason.

          • athrillofhope

            Dixiecrats were democrats. I did not hear of any democrats calling for the expulsion of the dixiecrats from the democratic party. That’s because they shared the same ideology.

            The democrats’ support of slavery is complete and well-documented. So supportive of slavery IS the democratic party that a new party had to be formed to ousted it from our nation (the Republican Party, whose first President was Lincoln).

            And the democrats are STILL in the business of slavery, i.e., the marxist ideology of making everyone dependent upon the State. They simply changed gears and strategies, embraced the minorities for the sole reason of creating a non-thinking voting bloc (just as they are doing with illegals), and expanded their “plantation” to be the entire nation.

            Just like good marxists.

      • Fed Up

        …or when the scarecrow electorate gets a brain…my goodness.

      • George

        I think the whole point is that the bureaucracy is just as bad no matter who is president. Did you notice the lines at DMV getting shorter or the staff friendlier or more competent when Bush was in office?

        People who pick “Democrat” or “Republican” as a side for curing the evils that go with big faceless machines entirely mis-understand the nature of the problem.

        • Tony Kammerer

          The DMV is a state level agency (don’t give them any more bad ideas). The fact is that yes bureaucracy is bad when it stands in the way of something you have to accomplish, and bigger government (such as taking over 1/6th of the economy with healthcare) is more bureaucracy.

        • ellentodd

          Yet for some reason lefties never learn… “Let’s try government collectivization ONE. MORE. TIME!!!” Fail.

          Collectivists gotta collectivize… America, elections DO have consequences.

        • DoubleHelix

          You guys act like there is any less bureaucracy in the private sector. The private sector is riddled with bureaucrats, useless self preserving middle management. The private sector isn’t anymore efficient than the government, its just easier to run a business than it is to run a country or State. When business needs to increase profits in the face of stagnant or reduced revenue, they just cut the little guys that keep everything rolling, preserving tons of fat in the form of mediocre management. The government operates with a moral compass, you don’t let the hungry starve and the homeless freeze. As a country founded on Christian principles, we have a moral and ethical obligation to care for the needy. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. At the end of the day it isn’t always about turning a profit or operating with a surplus. You care for those that need cared for and if you have to sell all of your possessions to do so then you do. The greed of the top 1% will never do what needs to be done, it is our job at the bottom to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. The righteous will answer to the Lord.

    • Chris Bolts Sr

      Comparing Obamacare to the DMV is a slander against the DMV. I can go onto the DMV’s website, renew my tags, get a replacement card, and register to vote. Obamacare websites can’t even get you properly enrolled in a flipping insurance product.

    • TheodoreSeeber

      Which, IIRC, we warned the liberals about.

    • taek

      The sad thing is that this woman had a very bad experience with this, and yet she still believed in Obamacare and she was still a fan of Obama. Now that is 100% partisan loyalty (which also exists in the Republican party as well).

    • BeauDCrab

      Has she been to the DMV?

      I predict it will be more like the Post Office.

      The medical profession will soon be filled with a lot of sad faces, disgruntled because their once-rewarding career has been transformed into endless slogging through red tape in order to facilitate substandard care.

      • daveinboca

        `I was looking for a new primary physician and found a great one, but after January I would have to pay up front because he can no longer afford the $40K per annum he pays his Medicare paperwork wrangler!

        • DoubleHelix

          I don’t like to generalize, but in my experience doctors like to do as little work as possible for as much money as possible. Prime example, just this wee I had received a bill in the mail from an oral surgeon. $710, after I paid the $255 that I was quoted for the procedure, after they checked with my insurance. $965 for a $1091 procedure. Why didn’t my top notch dental insurance cover it, oh well they don’t cover sedation unless you have two of more extractions, unless the doctor provides justification for the procedure and they don’t cover bone graft unless its in preparation for an implant. In short, if the doctors staff had taken the time to check with insurance properly they would have submitted the necessary documentation upfront preventing this whole ordeal. They misquoted the cost initially by hundreds of dollars. They recommended last minute procedures that were costly, without counseling on the cost and insurance coverage. It was a complete hack job on submitting to the insurance company. And that isn’t a rare case, I have dealt with billing incompetence on numerous occasions, and guess who it usually comes back to bite in the ass, me. Because rather than do their jobs right the first or second time, they’ll just submit it to a collection agency in a month. 90% of doctors are crooks, over scheduling and performing unneeded procedures so they can drive around in a Mercedes and live in luxury home while complaining about how hard they have it with overhead. Give me a break.

          • athrillofhope

            “.. doctors like to do as little work as possible for as much money as possible …”

            … which does not describe government workers … HOW?

            In a competitive free market there is recourse when this happens. In a socialized-single-payer system, there is NO recourse. The issue here is NOT whether or not abuses occur. The issue here is whether or not there are options to shop around, to have recourse.

            Power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely. And BIG GOVERNMENT, which is Marxism, which is Fascism, which IS OBAMA and the Democrats, is absolute corruption on steroids.

    • pp91303

      She doesn’t want to make it political now that she knows Obamacare won’t provide her with affordable healthcare. Yet, she had no problem making it political when she thought she was going to get a subsidy from other taxpayers to pay her insurance. This woman is the problem with this country. She believes in magic unicorns. She supports Obama and Obamacare even though the big “treadmill of bureaucracy” that he created is doing exactly what every other government bureacracy has done throughout history. It is failing to achieve its stated goal and it is creating a whole host of new problems.

      The clustereff that the Democrat supermajority created with Obamacare is exactly what you get when the government tries to control anything. It hurts the little guy while it increases their power. The federal government actually has more leverage now than they ever have. People have to go to them with their hats in their hands to get exemptions from the mandates.

  • jackie

    social justice

    • Memphomaniac

      …”She says she wants to make it clear she has no beef with Obama and Obamacare. She still believes in the Affordable Care Act. “I don’t want this to be a political thing,” she says. “I don’t want to be bashing the president. I don’t want to be bashing the ACA. I don’t want to come across as saying that. I am a big Obama fan.” You my dear, have become inebriated, by drinking the Kool-Aide. What an absolute Dope! You DESERVE whatever “Dear Leader “sends your way. “There is none so blind, as she (sic,) who will not see.

      • Chris Vaughn

        I know right? The broad just had her heart blown out of her chest and she is still a fan of Obama and Co. Frickin Stockholm Syndrome.

        • StellarStella

          Stockholm Syndrome is exactly what I was thinking too! LOL

          She still loves him, even though he’s raiding her pockets and actually taking away from her kid to help someone else who doesn’t work at all… but she loves him!

          • RockNRollinHoneyBadger

            It is scary that this woman talks like one of the characters from Ayn Rand’s novel Atlas Shrugged. It’s all about social justice with these morons.

          • James Richard Sackett

            y he’s the great black dope!

          • James Paterson

            Please don’t say black, black has nothing to do with this. It just gives libtards more ammo for their race card machine gun

          • darpot

            But there is truth there. Blacks did vote for Obama based on his skin color.

        • 0bamasnought

          Hey, she still loves the Father of her child enough to not demand that he pays something for his kid.
          Serial victim.

      • ice

        She has no beef because what’s left the stupid republican party

        • Ingeborg m

          The entire democratic party lied about Obamacare..your entire party! Ice, you screwed your own people who trusted you and voted for Obama…you are ruthless and a trader.. Go tell all your kindred friends how all of you were betrayed by your own party!

          • darpot

            Your left off…
            Go tell all your kindred friends how all of you are so dense as to be r-e-p-e-a-t-e-d-l-y duped by their own party!

          • athrillofhope

            Well, “ice” does have a point, but in reverse. The Republicans are to the Democrats what the Nazis were to the Bolshevik Marxists. I would add that the Nazis murdered a “mere” 20 million people; the Bolsheviks, however, murders 10 times that number!

            So “ice” seems to be saying that, while she may be led away to the Gulag to face certain death, at least she avoided the concentration camps.

        • Stingo

          Stupid? Who was it that fervently believed that they could keep their insurance if they liked their insurance? Who was it that believed in shovel ready jobs? Who believed that cash for clunkers was a solution.

        • darpot

          Democrats be denying and lying.

      • DoubleHelix

        So basically, she can’t afford now what she couldn’t afford before. She doesn’t qualify for a subsidy because her income is too high, which I find odd if she does indeed only make around $50k a year, she should qualify for a small tax credit. She can’t afford to purchase private health insurance at a fairly reasonable price of 390-450 per month, I would kill for those rates, I pay $700 for a family of 3 on a $45k salary. She obviously has not made healthcare coverage a priority now or in the past, but somehow that is the ACA and Obama’s fault? I’m not seeing it.

        • DizzyMissL

          If you make 45K then you get a subsidy.

          • DoubleHelix

            I don’t get a subsidy because my employer provided plan for just myself is free. Since it is less than 9.5% of my income no one in my family qualifies for a subsidy. Many think it was an oversight in the family rule, but with the current state of congress, the chance of it ever getting fixed is slim.

        • foxof

          Yes, excellent, blame the victim! Let the hate flow through you!

          The three interlocking points in this story are (a) Obama misled (at the very least) people about the nature of the ACA, (b) the execution has been a disaster, causing waves of anxiety, fear and misunderstanding in the most vulnerable people and (c) the ACA is in no way affordable and it’s so hard to find anybody it’s actually helping that Obama himself can’t seem to do it.

          But you’re right, the real story here is that she didn’t make healthcare a priority in the past, and she’s a whiner because her costs would be cheaper than yours! I’m sure she was eating bon-bons and watching Duck Dynasty! Clearly nothing in (a)-(c) above is Obama’s fault!

          That’s right! Use the dark side!

          • darpot

            One of the major arguments by Obama & Democrats for need of Obamacare was roughly 18,000 people die each year because they don’t have health coverage. That works out to 1,500 people per month.

            Looks like Obama and Democrats already have the Blood of 1,500 people on their hands due to failure of Obamacare website. Soon that will be 3,000 dead due to Obamacare.

            That does not count the 5 Million people who lost their health care coverage because of Obama and Democrats mandates and regulations in implementing Obamacare. Talk about being drenched in Blood.

          • rbtao

            no, one of the main arguments is that people are sick, not getting treatment and it is costing the economy BILLIONS — it is not just about people dying — it is about people being sick, not getting treatment and losing their jobs, their homes and their livelyhoods, and then you haters calling them moochers and cutting off their food stamps (when they would rather be working but because they cannot get health care they cannot)
            Medical expenses are the number one cause of personal bankruptcy in this country and a major cause of eventual homelessness — try getting informed of the real issues instead of spouting off misinformed hatred for your fellow man — just because he is not as fortunate as you were.

          • DeboraR

            Except now she has to pay $95 for the privilege of having to pay out of pocket for 100% of her health care costs – a figure that will go up every year by law.

          • DeboraR

            And from what I’m hearing, a lot of people who are getting plans will pay their premiums, but with deductibles so high, they will still pay 100% of their medical costs on top of that. And have to drive 100 miles out of their way to see a specialist. I really don’t see anyone winning here but the insurance companies.

          • AEAN Rodrigues

            ” I really don’t see anyone winning here but the insurance companies.” How so DeboraR? You undertsand by law the insurance companies have to have a lot more cash on hand to pay out in anticipation for ALL those people that just got dropped and are getting new plans with the 10 COMMANDMENTS attached. They just turned insurance into a giant Indian Casino subsidized by me and millions of others.

          • rbtao

            “from what I am hearing” — once again rumor and innuendo and lies — try getting actually informed — I hear that the moon is made of green cheese!!

        • The_Von

          I thought the same thing: she just hasn’t made health care a priority. $50K for a 2 person family is not slumming it, we lived off of less for a time in a 3 person family and we were still saving money every month for emergencies. $12K for health care is not great, but if she’s paying $250/month in prescription drug fees, she would have hit her deductible.

          • 0bamasnought

            The Bronze Plan deductibles under WaHePlan total $13,000.
            $4000 of that is for medicine, how is she going to benefit from the plan, if she is $1000 short of making the deductible, each and every year?

          • mrego

            She makes $44k just for being a court reporter? That’s very good money for that. I’ll bet she doesn’t have to pay for her parking at work either or have 6% of her pay taken out for mandatory retirement.

      • SClanding

        Abused wifes often have a hard time leaving their abuser even when he is beating the crap out of them on a nightly basis.

        This woman family should keep a close eye on her because he is a prime prey.material.

      • SWohio

        She ranks right up there in basic intellect with the ‘I think Obamacare is wonderful, making sure everyone gets GOOD health care insurance – I just didn’t know I would have to pay for it.’ (lady from California).

      • Stingo

        It’s religious devotion. The state is god and Obama is the Pope.

        • AEAN Rodrigues

          that sounds like a Karl Marx quote, or was it Hengel. . .

    • ChronicKindness

      Justice. hmmmm just a crazy crazy (and kinda funny) thought here …. but has anybody else wondered if Snowden and Putin have hacked Obama’s webpage …. just to watch him twist in the wind?

    • Theresa Klein

      more like poetic justice

  • Bruce Welty

    The last paragraph sums up big government.

    • GardenoftheGods

      Sure does; imagine when you’re calling to get cancer treatment…

      • Kevin Kurhajetz

        You’re calling the government to get cancer treatment? You’re doing it wrong.

        • darpot

          Correct. You will have to beg the government to get cancer treatments. Along with paying off Obamacare bureaucrats who have pull with those on the death panels.

    • Chris Vaughn

      And yet there are millions of imbeciles out there that want to give them even more power and money. It sad to see the US has become a nation of beggars and pussies.

      • Kelly Prophet

        They’re okay with giving them more power, more money though; only if it’s out of the pocket of another and not their own.

        That’s what the game is about.

        This lady is shocked that she doesn’t qualify for a subsidy on a $50k a year income? Are you kidding me? In the *majority* of the United States, that is far above the average household income.

        Did this lady really think that, having above average income, she should receive a handout from others? Just WHO does she propose this handout come from, being that she is above average.

        Foolhearty, at best. She will, in fact, be the one who is paying for the care of others. She’s EXACTLY that person. She didn’t have health insurance and wasn’t high risk, so chose not to pay into that system. Now she is forced, by law, to pay into that system. Not only is she now forced, now she’ll end up paying more and getting coverage she doesn’t need. This is the devil in the details that Obama didn’t want to talk about. The reason these insurance companies were on board with the ACA is because it will increase premiums across the board by requiring people to buy higher premium options.

        It will be interesting to see where the whole thing goes. It’s certainly made a mess of insurance in my household, though I was not shocked to see that at all. I’m not so dry as to point the finger at the messenger, though, I know exactly where the blame for this absurdity belongs.

  • americanlatina11

    This law was sold fraudulently to the public and perpetuated as a fraud. Democrats knew this was a fraud and continued to lie to us.

    This law needs to be repealed–as any fraudulent contract would be–in order to restore us to pre-fraudulent conditions.

    • Joseph Clark

      The entire Democrat party lied about DemocratCare. That entire party.

      • makersvstakers

        and since they all voted for it, the are complicit and should be held accountable…..2014 for those senators up for re-election and all dem. house members.

      • SWohio

        And Gillibrand admitted it on national television. I bet she got a little talking-to from the WH director of Keeping Dems in Line. Or maybe that would be a czar position. Not sure.

        • Linus in W.PA.

          I can’t see anyway she would have said that without shelter or coverage from above.

          Granted, I do feel she should immediately hire a food taster and car starter-upper….

  • Tango

    No, she has to pay $500, 1% of her income – not $95.
    Or, two months worth of medication for her child.
    I wonder which months she’ll skip?

    • SineWaveII

      That’s ok. The diagnosis of ADHD is probably wrong and the kid is probably better off without the drugs. Could be the best thing that ever happened to him.

      • Harry Ball

        Yeah I do see this Sanford individual as a busy-body nut-job who probably self-diagnosed her son and doctor shopped until she found one to agree with her.

      • DenverDiva

        Exactly – because all liberals believe the pharmaceuticals that their children need to be drugged up at all times, therefore making the socialist indoctrination at their schools go in easier – drugs go in, zombies come out.

    • StellarStella

      I know – folks don’t realize quite yet that the $95 being advertised as the fine is just ONE of the choices – 1% of income OR $95, and you pay whichever is higher. Can’t have the prez skipping a golf game because you can’t add, can we?! UGh.

      • Nick

        “Under the terms of the Affordable Care Act, she will have to pay a penalty of $95.”

        Its not just 1%. Minus the deductible ($9750), 1% of gross in 2014, 2% in 2015, and 2.5% in 2016 – per adult. Children are penalized at 50% of that. So using the 2014 level and a 50K salary, her penalty for 2014 will be $603.75.

        Actual penalty – $603.75 in 2014, $1207.50 in 2015, and $1509.40 in 2016.

        These OCare supporters never were good at math. The results of this article were predicted – this is a redistribution policy, nothing else.

        • darpot

          But the penalty goes against Tax refund. Making the penalty a joke for most of Obama’s supporters.

      • Kelly Prophet

        “prez skipping a golf game” automatically adds your phone, email, cell, twitter, facebook, and myspace to the terrorist watch list.

        Man, you’re in trouble now.

        Wait… DOH!

    • AEAN Rodrigues

      thats right its 95 dollars or 1% of your annual gross income, whichever is HIGHER (I cant underline or highlight higher so I capped it)

  • Michael Scheele

    Her penalty would be 1% of her taxable income since that would be greater than $95 for 2014.

    • Radish

      But she still believes in Obamacare.

      • SineWaveII

        And Obama

        • Chris Vaughn

          Obama could stab little kittens on live TV and about 30% of the country would still support him.

          • SineWaveII

            You got that right.

          • soccer czar

            LOL I’ve said the same thing only I use puppies and a higher percentage!

          • darpot

            “Obama could stab little kittens …”
            While eating Hot dogs (and I don’t mean tube steaks).

  • hobo moe

    Dear Jessica,

    Welcome to the real world of a government controlled life. You ARE on a big, self serving treadmill loaded down with “the buck passes here” pencil-pushers over which you, a puny citizen, have absolutely no control. You take what they give you and you damnedwell better like it!

    • Chris Vaughn

      The government gets bigger and the citizen gets smaller. Beggars are easier to please. We need more than a change of president.

  • bruceki

    Expecting a for-profit insurance company to cover medical expenses for less than they cost is pretty foolish. The whole thing is predicated on healthy people (people who don’t use the service) subsidizing people who do use it. $95 doesn’t seem like a big enough penalty to encourage younger, poorer, people to apply.

    • Bill Fleming

      or even a non-profit insurance company, if one existed.

    • StellarStella

      That’s $95 only IF you make a tiny amount.
      It is 1% of your income OR $95, and you pay the higher amount, not the lesser. She is in for even more surprises.

      • Linus in W.PA.

        Somebody better put this poor hag on suicide watch then.

        Man! The hits keep coming for her….

  • Brian Crouch

    Every day, millions of meals are served in the city of New York. No government official or entity oversees it all. The shipment, delivery, cooking, and consumption of food happens efficiently, collaboratively, consistently, because of united mutual self-interest.
    Imagine how poorly things would go if someone tried to manage it all from a desk.

    • mcjenny

      Wait until someone slaps some regulations on it all. That’ll put an end to it.

  • Bill Fleming

    I feel really awful for this poor woman’s situation. Too bad she is just one in of the millions that will go through this hell. Thanks Dems for pushing this crap down our throats.

    • sailordude

      I don’t feel “sorry” for her. She just needs to scrap that self employment thing and go on welfare like Obama wants her to do. FREE HEALTHCARE THEN! She wants to make money AND get free stuff, it doesn’t work that way in real life. Or work off the books, it’s been working in the ghetto since the 1960′s.

      • Bill Fleming

        My comment was more attuned to she was able to manage before ACA and now she has to pay an additional fine on top of it. Your comment is more related to the status of the decline of America and I can not dispute that at all.

    • makersvstakers

      thanks them with the power of your vote in 2014

      • ice

        Republicans don’t have enough hate , racist vote to beat democrats that’s why you lost the election. We just beat you again here in Virginia

        • DizzyMissL

          It is easy to win when you lie your butt off

        • Bill Gryan

          Right, math is “racist”. Detroit public school system?

  • DizzyMissL

    This is hilarious.

    • Barlowmaker

      She’s still a huge fan of this President. These goofs have “Battered Voter” syndrome. They still love and protect their chronic abuser.

      • DizzyMissL

        I know. They are sick.

    • ChronicKindness

      if it weren’t so sad.

  • Barlowmaker

    Naturally, these morons NEVER put the blame where it belongs: With their demigod and cult hero Barack Obama. It is beyond unreal how politically and economically daft our citizens have become.

  • MsFitzTX

    Wonder if Obama will read the new findings of her HC in his next speech promoting Ocare!!! Ha, silly me, I’m such a jokester!!!

  • graceesmommy

    bummer. nothing is free. you drank the kool-aid.

    • Marie

      Some REALLY EXPENSIVE Kool-Aid at that!

      Relativism.. the ability to change reality to suit your fantasy. While this woman’s plight is sad, particularly for her child, this is just the type of low information voter that thinks they were going to win the lottery by having the altruistic compassionate democrats and the potus extort others to pay for THEIR free stuff, that THEY DEMAND is a right. Reality: he’s not about stealing from the rich to give to the poor.. he’s about stealing from ANYONE to give to himself and his sycophants while he sits back and enjoys Kobe beef and lobster, golf and hobnobbing with his new crowd. He cared enough for the 16 or so democrats that are freaking out about their power being lost, but certainly NOT about the 5-7 MILLION (with countless MILLIONS following) people that lost their insurance, or all those like Ms. Sanford that just found out the joke is on them.. When people think it’s ethically and morally correct to demand the fruit of another persons labor, it’s reprehensible. Adding insult to injury is when those same morally bankrupt people accuse and call those who work and pay their own way, greedy, racist, homophobic terrorists for not wanting to bankrupt themselves in order to fund the welfare state. Sick cycle of class warfare.

  • Gangnam Style

    Dear Jessica,

    You deserve what you got. How bout the other people in your situation who knew there was no free lunch, didn’t vote your way, and are in the same dire situation? They certainly didn’t deserve what they are stuck with, but thanks to you, this is their life too. I truly hope you can find reasonable insurance for you and your son, but I also help you wake the heck up too…

  • sailordude

    So does she plan to vote for liberals in the future or will she vote for conservatives to boost the economy so she can afford to pay her bills? Hmmm, I’m thinking she just wants more government help. Single Mom’s, the biggest effect of woman’s lib and a big boost for the Democrat party. Pa the tic.

    • DizzyMissL

      She is just mad that there are not more subsidies.

  • gaz

    Her last paragraph is a demonstration of the complete ignorance of more than half the people in this country. It is a sad, sad statement about this country.

  • sailordude

    If you are on the edge of class income like millions are, how many will take the cut in pay so they get subsidizes to stay “poor”? It’s the Democrat way folks, stay poor and be dependent. It’s why “poverty” is at it’s all time highest levels! People are gaming the system and who can blame them? The Democrats encourage people to be poor. There is no incentive to go into the middle class now! Case in point! This woman’s self employment goals are being challenged by free healthcare for her sick kid. She’s heartless to be motivated thanks to Pelosi and Obama.

    • Marie

      Democrats have always fought to get reinstate their plantations.. now it’s back in legal style. Grats to all those useful idiots on falling for LBJ’s ‘civil rights’ ploy. The horror is they used a person of color to reach the goal. Irony.

  • Singlemom

    I’m a single mom without child support and I don’t make much more than her and I somehow figure out a way to do without and provide insurance for both myself and my two kids. However, it’s getting harder. Thanks to O’care, my premiums have increased through my employer substantially. I tremble in fear at what is going to happen when the employer mandate kicks in.

    • DizzyMissL

      Good for you. Liberals are so helpless.

      You will be fine–you sound smart.

    • seraphina gonter

      YOU GO MOM! Kudos to you and your family!

  • The Truth

    Obama and HIS….MISLEADING, DISTRUSTFUL “BarackObamaCare” and the WASHINGTON State HealthCare system…just SCREWED this woman and her son…BUT…she STILL loves them.


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  • cloey

    There are people so in love with Obama they will sacrifice anything..their health care, finances, their lives. It’s absolutely creepy. This woman should be livid. This is all because of OBAMA and the ACA.

  • Marsha Moore

    Amazing. What did she think? That the Federal Gov. was a benevolent uncle. Good grief, people are naïve.

  • Hi This Is My Username

    After all of that, she’s still a sheep. Unreal.

  • Diane Rickman Carder

    doesn’t she realize he is the president and should be held accountable?? unreal

  • MikeDugas

    Can’t fix stupid.

  • Commie Killer


  • SineWaveII

    “She says she wants to make it clear she has no beef with Obama and Obamacare. She still believes in the ACA.”

    Then quit whining, go away and shut up.

    Your mistake you silly girl is trying to work. Now go quit your job, move into a slum and collect welfare like a good little Obamabot.

  • Commie Killer


  • solly

    “But to me there is a big problem with the way the state is handling it.
    It is like a big machine – you put your stuff in there and once you do
    it, it is impossible to do anything. You can’t get through to them [on
    the phone], the website is really limited. So you are stuck on this big
    treadmill of bureaucracy, and you know, it feels very out of control.”

    She sounds like that lady from Venezuela who said she always voted Hugo Chavez and she always applied for benefits, but never got any.

    But next time will be different!

    This lady could be death paneled and still be a dyed-in-wool Obama sycophant. She doesn’t get it. She’ll never get it. She’s a lost cause.

  • Commie Killer






  • seraphina gonter

    Guess a whole lotta people are finding out that THEY are the ones who are actually paying for all the ‘free-riders’. This horrendous bill was never going to work, it isn’t working, and it won’t work in the future. How much money do we have to throw down the hole before the gimme herd GETS IT?

  • DisgustedAmerican

    Wish I could feel sorry for her but she helped put that disaster in the white house so she can just live with it.

  • Nonameworks

    The last paragraph –

    Did she really expect anything different? If so, how was that supposed to occur?

  • fireandreamitchell

    Good! Dumb hag got what she deserved. Sucks to be you huh Jessica?

  • Erik

    My gawd, no wonder this country is in trouble with idiots like this! She thinks the state is a “big machine” what the devil does she think having obama’s big government handling things is like. Get your head out of your azz, lady.

  • candes1

    Umm… Jessica, your penalty will not be $95. In 2014 it will be $400 and in 2016 it will be $1000. Smile though, you will be helping Obama realize his dream. :)

  • Rodolfo Alba

    So shes still a big obama fan even after being screwed over just like thousands of other sheep who still support and follow an over glorified puppet.

  • storibund

    Jessica: do you realize that your actions have put many millions of us – who have been warning you about ObamaCare for the last few years and gotten called all sorts of horrible names for it – in the same predicament?

    How do you even justify that? Are you proud of yourself? Do you know how hard it is for us blameless ones to even be civil to useful/useless idiots such as yourself?

  • LLobaAzul

    Here’s a perfect example of the greediness of some people who expect someone else to subsidize their expenses. This woman from Federal Way is just another parasite who refuses to accept responsibility for her own life.

    • OK_Sam

      Believe me, she is surrounded by like-minded people since she lives near seattle.

  • D2

    “it was like it was amazing. How was I supposed to know?”

    Pay attention maybe?

    On the other hand, the pres, supposedly the smartest guy in the room, has no idea about anything other than when his next tee time is, so i guess you aren’t supposed to know anything. [eyeroll]

  • Joseph Clark

    Why I have no pity: “I don’t want this to be a political thing,” she says. “I don’t want to be bashing the president. I don’t want to be bashing the ACA. I don’t want to come across as saying that. I am a big Obama fan.“But to me there is a big problem with the way the state is handling it.” — yeah, it’s on all the state of Washington’s fault.

    • OK_Sam

      It may well be the state’s fault – Washington is notoriously liberal, so the state government is full of people who think just like the DC trainwreck.

      • Joseph Clark

        This whole system with the exchanges and all of DemocratCare was set up by the federal government. The state of Washington is playing within the rules.

  • justlisa

    So…it’s the state’s fault….sigh

  • Kim Walker

    ADHD… my ass……… sit down, shut up and pay attention…………

  • Duchessof Austin

    When did being a single mother go from something shameful to a badge of honor? Why doesn’t she use the apparatus of the state to go after the sperm donor who afflicted her with a child and then left the picture? What’s wrong with these women? She’s got more problems than just a sick child….magical thinking. Uncle Sugar will make it all better….jeeze…

    Guess what, Jessica….you did this to yourself. First, you had a child out of wedlock with a man who is not supporting him. Second, you voted for the liar in chief and got screwed twice. Once because the Obamanoids used you for a poster child, and 2nd when you realized that you still won’t be able to afford health insurance because of this abortion of a law.

    Maybe you should give up voting too…you obviously don’t do your homework. So now you get to live with what you voted into office. Fantasy, meet reality. Sux to be you, honey.

  • mad-dog1776

    This law must be repealed, I wont comply, ever…free people are not forced to buy stuff.

  • DoubleHelix

    This doesn’t pass the smell test. I know that most conservatards will latch onto this because it reinforces their baseless arguments against the ACA; however, it seems awfully convenient that this would just happen to occur to the individual named by the President in a speech. The likelihood of that has got to be astronomical. The AFA has saved me nearly $300 per month, an I don’t get a tax credit. My previous employer provided coverage for my family was nearly $700 per month. I was able to purchase an identical plan through the Maryland exchanges for a fraction of the cost, with the same insurer. My son doesn’t have to worry about pre-existing conditions either as he was diagnosed with epilepsy when he was 6 years old.

    • makersvstakers

      He could have named any one of millions, because it has happened/will be happening again and again.

      • DoubleHelix

        You do realize that this woman never had insurance, correct? She just can’t afford coverage under the ACA anymore than she could before. And it isn’t because the unsubsidized prices are outrageous, because 300-450 for comprehensive family coverage isn’t bad. This lady just can’t afford to pay it on her salary. From what I gather it is based on income and for her area and estimated age, she’d have to be making 330%+ of poverty level or $52000+ to be ineligible for any subsidy. Now it may be a shocker for the self-employed, but $390 a month for a comprehensive plan for a family is quite good. We can presume the gold plan would cost her around south of $450 which is also not bad. The plan is likely to reduce the $250 a month in Rx costs. For someone with medical conditions like this family, the plan isn’t bad. I currently pay nearly $700 per month for a comprehensive group medical plan for a family of three on a smaller income. The media surrounding these accounts is horribly biased, to the point of uselessness. Any other day of the week the conservatives would be billing this lady as some beyond her means middle classer that hasn’t made healthcare coverage a priority. But now she can be used to further their agenda so shes a victim. This whole story stinks.

    • candes1

      Now I was under the impression that if you have employer provided insurance that you were not eligible for Obamacare? If so, you may be getting a letter also.

      • DoubleHelix

        Note that I stated that I “DO NOT” get a tax credit. My wife and son are still eligible for the exchanges at full price, which is still a savings. I am not eligible for the exchanges myself, but there my wife is free to shop the exchanges herself.

    • DizzyMissL

      Actually, it is your story that does not pass the smell test.

      • DoubleHelix

        Simply because it doesn’t fit your preconceived notions doesn’t make it a lie. I assure you it is truth. Under the ACA, my wife and son were able to purchase a Bluecross plan equal to my current employer plan for under $400 per month, no subsidy. That allowed me to drop them from my employer plan reducing coverage to only myself, which is free through my employer. My previous employer rate dropped from nearly $700 monthly to $0 and my wife and son are now covered for under $400 per month. I saved $247 per month by purchasing an equivalent plan through the exchange which will save me 39%.

        • DizzyMissL

          Those with junk policies aren’t the people we are concerned about.

          And you guys saying that REALLY pisses off the responsible people with good policies. And those responsible people vote.

          • DoubleHelix

            Again, policies are being cancelled because they do not meet the requirements under the law. These are mostly junk policies. The story you posted even admitted that if his policy was rated on the Bronze, Silver and Gold scale it would be ‘wood’ and that it had a comically high deductible. These policies seem good when your paying for them, until something major happens and boom, your slapped with 40k in medical bills, then comes bankruptcy and your medical costs are shifted to the guy payin his bills.

          • DizzyMissL

            No, the majority were not junk plans.

            And bankruptcies did not go down with Romenycare and they won’t go down with Obamacare.

            Stop spreading propaganda.

          • DoubleHelix

            Site your sources of comprehensive plans with low deductibles being cancelled.

            I’m also not claiming that ACA will eliminate bankruptcy, but it will have an impact on reducing it by eliminating some of the causes, mainly no insurance and bad insurance.

          • DizzyMissL

            How about you cite your source that they are ‘mostly junk policies’?

            And the fact is that bankruptcies did not go down with Romneycare and they won’t with Obamacare.

          • DoubleHelix

            Gladly, there’s a standard list of essential health benefits that must be covered in these plans. They have to meet certain co-pays and deductibles, and if they don’t, then they will no longer be offered by the insurer.


            Positing that bankruptcies due to medical bills will not go down under Obamacare because they didn’t under Romneycare is pure speculation, not a fact. What impact ACA will have a national level is different then what happens at a state level. Your claim is not a’ fact’ its conjecture.

            Please, humor me with some examples of of lawful policies being cancelled and the details behind why.

          • DizzyMissL

            LOL, you cannot call plans that did not cover those benefits junk. Hilarious that you are trying to do that. And you are wrong again about BKs, it is not speculation, it is FACT


            Again, please stop spreading your lies and propaganda.

          • DoubleHelix

            How can you claim fact on something that has not had the time to pan out? Anything at this point is speculation, whether educated or not.

          • DoubleHelix

            The only fact is that the ACA has not been in place long enough to know what its long term impacts will be.

          • DoubleHelix

            “Let me put it more bluntly: your insurance companies have been taking advantage of you and the Affordable Care Act puts in place consumer protection and tells them to stop abusing people.”


          • DizzyMissL

            LOL, did you notice who wrote that mess?

          • DoubleHelix

            Do you have racial concerns about Juan Williams?

          • DizzyMissL

            You throw the race card when you are losing the argument.

            Typical liberal.

          • DoubleHelix

            I’d argue that I’m losing. I am the only one in this that has pointed to any substantiated information regarding ACA. You might as well just repeat “Its a monumental failure” without giving any evidence to support the claim. You never gave your issues with Juan?

          • DizzyMissL

            You have provided propaganda. I have cited a study and a thorough review of Obamacare vs Romneycare out of pocket expenses.

            Again, please stop lying.

          • DoubleHelix

            lol, propaganda. You provided a study on Romneycare alone and, ironically, a DailyKOS story that ultimately concluded that costs are comparable. Not that I would believe anything from a liberal rag like the KOS.

          • DizzyMissL

            Yes, you provided propaganda.

          • DoubleHelix


          • DizzyMissL

            Propoganda =’s checkmate?

            Now that is funny.

          • DoubleHelix

            How has ACA affected you? What kind of insurance do you have?

          • DizzyMissL

            I have a GF individual plan

          • DoubleHelix

            Could you elaborate, I’m unfamiliar.

          • DizzyMissL

            Grandfathered plan that I purchase myself. I have had it since 2004. It would be considered a gold/platinum plan

          • DoubleHelix

            That is good, no need for grandfathering then. Can I ask what your monthly premium is, how many are covered and why you chose your plan?

          • DizzyMissL

            What do you mean no need for GFing? And why do you need to know about my plan?

          • storibund

            Because he’s the OFA equivalent of a used-car salesman.

          • DizzyMissL

            Out of pocket max’s are higher with Obamacare than they were with Romneycare.


            You need to get off of the Obamacare bandwagon. It is a disaster.

          • DoubleHelix

            Sorry, I’m not on a bandwagon and I admit that ACA has had some issues and will for sometime going forward. I’m also not a “sky is falling” guy. ACA is not that bad and will ultimately offer more positives than negatives. People will ultimately be pleased with their coverage, even if is costs a little more, at least they will not be paying for nothing. The cancellations are the biggest issue at this point, and there are valid reasons behind them that are not the fault of ACA. Premiums for many will be lower, for some they will be higher. The standard will increase, that is a core of the law.

          • DizzyMissL

            Yes, you are on the bandwagon. And I can assure you that you would not be over here defending this abortion of a plan if you had to pay more every month.

          • DoubleHelix

            I already pay for actually health coverage so that isn’t a worry for me. I made have premium health coverage a priority and it very likely saved me from bankruptcy when my son was diagnosed with epilepsy. The plans being cancelled are by and large sub par and like it or not a waste of money for those who have been buying them.

          • DizzyMissL

            No, they were not. Please stop lying.

          • DoubleHelix

            They were, that’s a ‘fact’ supported by information, you haven’t proven otherwise, so stop spreading bullcrap.

          • DizzyMissL

            It is you who first claimed they were junk plans. Your evidence for that is they didn’t contain certain coverage like maternity for men which is laughable.

            Please stop lying.

          • Ricard

            …Premiums for some will be lower, for many they will be higher.


          • Ricard

            “The cancellations are the biggest issue at this point, and there are valid reasons behind them that are not the fault of ACA. ”

            …um…yeah, it is. Without passage of the ACA the vast majority of these policies would not have been cancelled.

          • visceralrebellion

            No health insurer has ever covered Pediatric Dental and Orthodontia in a major medical policy sold in well over half the states, probably all. I work in the field and this I know for a fact. Therefore, by your and your savior’s definition of “junk,” every medical policy in the country is “junk.” Those “essential” benefits are bovine excrement.

            Here’s hoping you get yours just like this idiot woman got hers.

          • DoubleHelix

            Its all bullshit until some kid dies of an abscessed tooth. Dental care is needed and important.

          • visceralrebellion

            Uh huh, ’cause the streets are littered with the bodies of kids who died of abscessed teeth. Do you even realize how stupid you sound?

            Nice attempt to try to change the subject but you can’t refute the FACTS.

          • DoubleHelix

            Tooth decay is the single most common chronic childhood disease — five times more common than asthma and seven times more common than hay fever. Dental care is an often overlooked but critical component of comprehensive health care for children. Pain and suffering due to untreated dental disease can lead to problems in speaking, eating, and learning. For children caught without dental coverage, dental problems can quickly become more than “just” a toothache. Research shows children who lack basic dental care miss more days of school and see their overall health suffer. In fact, children miss more than 51 million hours of school each year due to dental-related illnesses. According to the Children’s Dental Health Project, “The oral health of children has a significant and lasting impact on the productivity of our existing and future employees and leaders… Untreated tooth decay is progressive and can be devastating to children’s long-term health, educational achievements, self image, and overall success.” And as Deamonte’s death showed, in extreme cases lack of dental care can even lead to fatal complications.



          • visceralrebellion

            Good for you. You found one story of untreated dental issues resulting in one kid’s death. Rather than blame the parents for their complete and utter negligence, you’d prefer to screw the other 309,999,999 of us with your dreams of Obamacare. You’re Pavlov’s experimental subject salivating on cue, and that’s supposed to impress me?

            What will you do when those same negligent parents don’t take their kids to the dentist even after their Obamacare covers it?

            You STILL haven’t addressed the topic. The fact that no medical policy covers pediatric dental and orthodontia means that EVERY POLICY SOLD IS “JUNK” BY YOUR DEFINITION. How about try to stay on topic?

          • DoubleHelix

            Perhaps you should read up on the details of the Driver story. It was a matter not having access to the needed services because of the limited number of dentists accepting Medicaid. Attempts were made, including taking him to the ER where essentially nothing was done. $80 could have saved the boys life. Instead he died in Maryland’s Children’s Hospital after accumulating $250,000 in medical bills. You may work in the field, what ever that means,but it doesn’t make you any less of a cold hearted prick with ridiculous personal belies towards social welfare. And yes, someone from the ‘party of tolerance’ called you a cold hearted prick because I calls em how I sees em. In addition, not all plans that do not offer pediatric dental are being cancelled. Many plans are having dental coverage grafted onto them; however, in other situations standalone dental packages will be available in the exchanges. This is a State’s issue. Maryland has several plans in the exchange that do not offer pediatric dental. This whole argument is built on the idea that this is something new. Employers have been offering medical and dental coverage together for a long time. Medical is covered by one provider and dental is covered by another, this is no different. Mountains from molehills


          • visceralrebellion

            Apparently you have a reading comprehension issue as well. Your own link says exactly what I said: most medical policies cover ZERO dental and when they have to make those changes, the plans are no longer “grandfathered” and must be Obama-compliant. Hence, according to YOUR definition, they’re all “junk policies.”

            Under the ACA, states were supposed to select existing insurance policies in their states to serve as benchmarks for the plans they include on their exchanges. Because most medical plans do not include dental coverage, some of those benchmark plans don’t either.

            The following applies to exchange policies. You know, the policies no one can purchase because the entire backend of the site doesn’t exist yet. Private policies have to bow to Obama’s demands of “essential” coverage and the costs of it–ALL of the costs since taxpayers won’t be picking up the tab.

            But because the ACA requires pediatric dental care, states either will graft dental coverage into the medical plans on the exchanges or offer customers the opportunity to buy separate stand-alone dental policies.

            There’s a hitch, advocates say: States that opt to offer stand-alone dental policies do not have to require parents to purchase them. While some states, such as Washington and Nevada, are making it a requirement, others are not, according to Colin Reusch, a senior policy analyst with the Children’s Dental Health Project. So in effect, although pediatric dental benefits are “essential,” they will not be mandatory in all states.

            What you, a spewing stranger on a comment thread, think of me matters not an iota. Your continuing lies about things you know nothing about do matter.

          • DoubleHelix

            I’ll state it here for you and everyone else, “I have not lied about anything and I do not intend on it starting. I am far from ignorant of or misinformed on the topics being discussed. You simply cannot see past your own hangups to recognize the truth or a valid alternative view”. You have failed to validate your arguments here and as a result you claim that I am in someway lying. You have been wrong on several points. Your thoughts on orthodontia care were wrong. You view towards the the importance of pediatric dental coverage as an essential part of a comprehensive medical plan were wrong. Your view on the causes of tooth decay in children living in poverty were oversimplified and ridiculous. Dental coverage being bundled with medical coverage is nothing new, at least to the lions share of people purchasing insurance the employee provided markets. You may not agree with me on many or all points, but you are far from correct or mainstream in your thinking. It may be difficult to see the flaw in your thinking since I doubt that you stray to far outside conservative circle jerks like this comment thread.

          • visceralrebellion

            Look, you were asked above to demonstrate why the canceled policies were “junk.” You responded with the list of “essential” coverage. I then explained to you how the pediatric dental and orthodontia provisions in that list that makes ALL PRIVATE COVERAGE out of compliance with Obamacare. How states tweak pediatric dental and orthodontia on their exchanges doesn’t matter a hill of beans to the PRIVATE market. In the PRIVATE MARKET policies that aren’t offering pediatric dental and ortho are having to add it and people are having to pay for it.

            Do you not understand the difference between the exchange and the private market? Do you not understand how the “grandfathering” clause works? What don’t you understand about this topic? Because you are clearly either confused or misleading people. You insist you aren’t a liar but if you aren’t lying, you’re awfully confused.

          • visceralrebellion

            Look, you were asked above to demonstrate why the canceled policies were “junk.” You responded with the list of “essential” coverage. I then explained to you how the pediatric dental and orthodontia provisions in that list that makes ALL PRIVATE COVERAGE noncompliant with Obamacare. How states tweak pediatric dental and orthodontia on their exchanges doesn’t matter a hill of beans to the PRIVATE market. In the PRIVATE MARKET policies that aren’t offering pediatric dental and ortho are having to add it and people are having to pay for it.

            Do you not understand the difference between the exchange and the private market? Do you not understand how the “grandfathering” clause works? What don’t you understand about this topic? Because you are clearly either confused or misleading people. You insist you aren’t a liar but if you aren’t lying, you’re awfully confused.

          • DoubleHelix

            Do you not understand the difference between the exchange and the private market? I presume you mean the exchange and the individual market. If so then yes I do know the difference.
            Do you not understand how the “grandfathering” clause works? Yes, it is pretty straight forward

            First of all, if you want to quote me, what I said was the most of the cancelled policies were junk policies. Policies that provided inadequate or virtually no coverage, and I stand by that. Several well-known health insurance brands have marketed junk policies over the past few years alone. The federal government granted waivers in 2012 to roughly 1,231 plans covering approximately 3.9 million people. This information suggests that there are a sizable number of junk policies out there. The cancellation of these types of policies was a target of the law and not unexpected. Now, as for non-junk policies that fail to meet the essential benefits requirements of the ACA. If those are grandfathered plans, those that were in existence on March 23, 2010 and haven’t been changed in ways that substantially cut benefits or increase costs for consumers, they should be good. If these plans were sold after that time, they need to meet the requirements or be replaced with plans that do. Some responsibility has to fall on the insurance company for selling plans that they knew were going to have to be cancelled in 2013. Additionally, some responsibility needs to fall on the individual for purchasing plans that were not going to carry through 2013. Some responsibility has to fall on the President for reducing a complex matter down to a sound bite and misleading people. People having otherwise good plans cancelled because of failing to meet the requirements are not grandfathered. Now for those people finding their policies cancelled, they can enroll in qualified plans in the exchange. Many states offer plans that do not include dental coverage; however, many to most plans do. Bronze plans for the most part are shit, the deductibles are high and the OOP costs are high. Many of the silver and gold plans are comparable in price. The reason I stated that the dental issues are a States matter is that the ACA simply requires that pediatric dental and medically necessary orthodontia be included in plans. How that is defined and what qualifies as ‘medically necessary’ is up to each individual state to define and the insurers then have to abide by those guidelines. Private policies are going to need to meet the requirements, that’s just a fact and anyone who was led into purchasing a policy before the min ACA rollout that was not grandfathered is going to have to eat it and should have done their research. You lay all responsibility on the parents of impoverished homeless children for their dental care, lay some on the people who purchased healthcare policies without fully researching the matter.

          • visceralrebellion

            ROFL So, according to you, a man who didn’t purchase a maternity rider is too stupid to know what medical coverage he needs? A postmenopausal woman who didn’t purchase birth control coverage is too stupid to know what she needs? A non-addict who declined substance abuse treatment is too stupid to manage their own health insurance affairs?

            Unlike you, I think every adult (excepting those with obvious mental defects) is able to manage his or her affairs without the interference of people like you and Obama. You on the other hand believe that you and your preferred politicians must dictate to people every action of their lives–except, of course, when it comes to sexual behavior.

            You want links? How about this one. In 2010 the administration entered into the Federal Register a table indicating the percentage of group plans it expected to lose “grandfathered” status between 2010 and 2012. I dare you to read the section.

            Page 34,552 of the Federal Register

            In case you don’t, and I rather expect you won’t, the low-end estimate for 2012 is 39% of all group plans, and the high-end estimate is 69%. Because Obama unilaterally delayed the employer mandate, that has been pushed back to 2014.

            On the same page they inform us:

            Using these turnover estimates, a reasonable range for the percentage of individual policies that would terminate, and therefore relinquish their grandfather status, is 40 percent to 67 percent. These estimates assume that the policies that terminate are replaced by new individual policies, and that these new policies are not, by definition, grandfathered. In addition,the coverage that some individuals maintain for long periods might lose its grandfather status because the cost-sharing parameters in policies change by more than the limits specified in these interim final regulations. The frequency of this outcome cannot be gauged due to lack of data, but as a result of it, the Departments estimate that the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 percent to 67 percent range that is estimated based on the fraction of individual policies that turn over from one year to the next.

            So please, spare me.

            As far as the dental issue, you failed to mention in the case you referenced that the kid was on Medicaid but the mother found it “too hard” to locate a dentist who would take it. Additionally, the kid’s ten year old brother, DaShawn, had SIX bad teeth she knew of that had not been treated. Furthermore, unless the kid had a preexisting autoimmune system problem a tooth infection would need to incubate for quite some time before it became so bad it extended into the brain. None of the news stories bother to say how long the child had been complaining of pain so my guess is that the time didn’t reflect well on the mother.

            Two children with tooth issues, one with a mouthful of rotten teeth, indicates a parent who doesn’t bother to teach kids how to brush and floss, and quite likely indicates a dreadful diet. Yet that is somehow everyone else’s fault. When I did the “research” you recommended it became blindingly obvious that the child’s death was due to parental neglect, period.

            Boy Dies from Abscessed Tooth

            In this story, unlike your HuffPo link, they say the mother had lost Medicaid coverage so who knows. But she plainly says dental care was “too hard to find” on Medicaid. Bodes well for your side’s dependence on Medicaid to make Obamacare work, don’t you think?

            I feel badly for the kids but the blame lies squarely on the mother. I’ll bet the mortgage that she had cable TV and plenty of other extras she could’ve ditched to come up with the $100 to fix the abscessed tooth. I would sell a kidney before I let my children suffer like that.

          • visceralrebellion

            Regarding your story:

            Four years ago this February, an entire community was devastated in Prince George’s County, Maryland, just outside Washington, D.C., when 12-year-old seventh grader Deamonte Driver died after complications from a tooth abscess. His mother Alyce, who worked at low-paying jobs, had searched for a dentist to treat Deamonte’s toothache who would accept Medicaid, but she was unsuccessful. Ultimately, Alyce took Deamonte to a hospital emergency room, where he was given medicine for a headache, sinusitis, and a dental abscess and sent home. But his condition soon took a turn for the worse, and he was back at the hospital being rushed to surgery where it was discovered that bacteria from his abscessed tooth had spread to his brain. Heroic efforts were made to save him, including two operations and eight weeks of additional care and therapy totaling about $250,000, but it was all too late. Deamonte died on February 25, 2007 — when his life could have been saved by a routine dental visit and an $80 tooth extraction.

            1. The kid had Medicaid, but dentists don’t take it. Doesn’t bode well for your reliance on Medicaid in Obamacare does it?

            2. Dental office visit: around $50. So she couldn’t come up with $130 to get her child treated. Interesting that the source doesn’t bother to tell us how long the child endured the abscess so I went looking to find out myself. Why am I not surprised to find conflicting information? According to yahoo news:

            Boy Dies from Abscessed Tooth

            But before he could be treated for the painful problem, money would have to be saved in order to pay for his brother’s dental complaints, having had 6 teeth which needed the proper care of a dentist. His mother said that 10-year-old DaShawn complained about his teeth constantly.

            The problem Deamonte’s mother, Alyce Driver, faced is a problem many parents face these days: no dental insurance. If that weren’t hard enough, the family had just lost its Medicaid coverage. Had they still been covered by Medicaid, however, it is a well-known fact that Medicaid dentists are hard to find.

            Although the Driver kids have never received routine dental care, Alyce Driver said that even with Medicaid coverage, dental attention is just too hard to find. Dentists are not currently made to accept Medicaid coverage, and many do not want to deal with the long forms and pay that one must offer a secretary to manage such documents in the manner the Federal Government requires.

            I’ve yet to find any information on how long the tooth was infected, how long the child complained of tooth pain and was ignored or put off.

            Two young boys with terrible teeth indicates a parent who doesn’t bother teaching kids how to brush and floss, and probably feeds them terribly. As I said before, a negligent parent. I feel terrible for the kids but the blame lies squarely with the parent.

          • visceralrebellion

            Regarding your story:

            Four years ago this February, an entire community was devastated in Prince George’s County, Maryland, just outside Washington, D.C., when 12-year-old seventh grader Deamonte Driver died after complications from a tooth abscess. His mother Alyce, who worked at low-paying jobs, had searched for a dentist to treat Deamonte’s toothache who would accept Medicaid, but she was unsuccessful. Ultimately, Alyce took Deamonte to a hospital emergency room, where he was given medicine for a headache, sinusitis, and a dental abscess and sent home. But his condition soon took a turn for the worse, and he was back at the hospital being rushed to surgery where it was discovered that bacteria from his abscessed tooth had spread to his brain. Heroic efforts were made to save him, including two operations and eight weeks of additional care and therapy totaling about $250,000, but it was all too late. Deamonte died on February 25, 2007 — when his life could have been saved by a routine dental visit and an $80 tooth extraction.

            1. The kid had Medicaid, but dentists don’t take it. Doesn’t bode well for your reliance on Medicaid in Obamacare does it?

            2. Dental office visit: around $50. So she couldn’t come up with $130 to get her child treated. Interesting that the source doesn’t bother to tell us how long the child endured the abscess so I went looking to find out myself. Why am I not surprised to find conflicting information? According to yahoo news:

            Boy Dies from Abscessed Tooth

            But before he could be treated for the painful problem, money would have to be saved in order to pay for his brother’s dental complaints, having had 6 teeth which needed the proper care of a dentist. His mother said that 10-year-old DaShawn complained about his teeth constantly.

            The problem Deamonte’s mother, Alyce Driver, faced is a problem many parents face these days: no dental insurance. If that weren’t hard enough, the family had just lost its Medicaid coverage. Had they still been covered by Medicaid, however, it is a well-known fact that Medicaid dentists are hard to find.

            Although the Driver kids have never received routine dental care, Alyce Driver said that even with Medicaid coverage, dental attention is just too hard to find. Dentists are not currently made to accept Medicaid coverage, and many do not want to deal with the long forms and pay that one must offer a secretary to manage such documents in the manner the Federal Government requires.

            I’ve yet to find any information on how long the tooth was infected, how long the child complained of tooth pain and was ignored or put off.

            Two young boys with terrible teeth indicates a parent who doesn’t bother teaching kids how to brush and floss, and probably feeds them terribly. As I said before, a negligent parent. I feel terrible for the kids but the blame lies squarely with the parent.

          • visceralrebellion

            Oh, and braces are absolutely essential for life too, right? Or do you not know what orthodontia means?

          • DoubleHelix

            What you mean is medically necessary orthodontia established by the ACA and defined by the States. It a little more complicated than just braces.

          • sez-who

            Yes yes yes. Now we don’t have to wait for a catastrophic illness to go bankrupt – we can be perfectly healthy and still go bankrupt trying to pay for the ACA. Great improvement there.

          • sez-who

            or, just possibly, the requirements under the law are junk. One man’s trash is another man’s treasure. Let’s face it, not every 50-year old man needs his birth control pill prescription covered.

            The bottom line is that the ACA is authoritarian and wrong. It is wrong to force people to buy anything.


  • Call Me Mom

    Denial kills. I would have thought the threat to her child’s health would’ve snapped her out of her obama fangirl status, but I guess not. Looks like we’ll have to wait until year 3 when she will be fined 2.5% of her income for the “privilege” of having no health insurance. Let’s see, 2.5% of $44,680 is $1,117 right? I’ll bet that amount could cover a few months of the child’s special, compounded prescription medication. I wonder if that will be enough?

  • Roggiedodgie

    “I don’t want this to be a political thing”…okay, okay. You just want to go back to fairytale land is what you mean. Lady, you’re a fool.

  • ice

    Republicans have to win an election first we dem s keep beating you. We just beat you here in Virginia tell Cuccinelli democrats from Virginia say’s bye Mitch

    • DizzyMissL

      It is super easy to win elections when you lie and promise free stuff.

    • kyrifles

      A state full of federal workers with no insurance problems was always going to be a tough sell, especially when the Dems outspent the GOP 3 to 1. And they call the GOP the party of fat cat contributors.

  • rnumbers123

    This is too sad to troll. Seriously. It’s bad enough the law is self-trolling, but to get people’s hopes up like that is just terrible.

  • RTUT

    A committed liberal will vote democrat no matter what democrats and their ideology does to them. There is a disconnect beyond the understanding of normal people. I know a person that has no experience with the ACA at all but believes Obama ‘s ACA will save her money, something like a religious belief. When asked what she thinks about her neighbor possibly having to pay for her insurance if what she believes is true the conversation ended.

  • AnneCink

    I don’t know which is saddest, Her horrible journey into awareness of the ills of O’Care or the last two paragraphs where she wants to “make it clear she has no beef with Obama and Obamacare.

  • lewwaters

    She makes nearly $50K a year and is crying?

    I never earned over $40K and managed to buy a house, cars and health insurance for a family.

    • LibelFreeZone

      Well, bully for you. Have you determined what your health insurance bill will be NOW?

  • StellarStella

    Time to wake up and realize that helping anyone get actual health care isn’t what the ACA is about. We are continuing the redistribution of wealth that the socialist/progressives want. The trouble is that the liberals with a job didn’t realize OBama would be skinning them too! They thought they were buddies and he had their backs! LOL

    To Ms. Sanford – you have misplaced loyalties. Obama cares not about your child having insurance. He does care about gathering up as many premiums and fines as he can, to further strip Americans of any financial freedoms. Even if you have a plan and manage to pay for it, good luck with those out of sight deductibles!!

    Time to realize that socialism will not work in America. We are the land of the FREE, and that doesn’t mean get-stuff-for-free. It means work for what you want, and don’t vote in people who want to take what you have worked for and give it to someone else who won’t work. (Excluding people with real disabilities – the others are leeches.) There is nothing for free in life. People have only been stopped by their lack of education (and willingness to work to get one) or their lack of skills (and willingness to learn new ones). Hard work is still personally rewarding, but NO ONE has the right to take from the producers to give for free to the leeches. No one.

    Remember to vote out the leeches from BOTH parties next year.
    And snicker while you do it, remembering that Obama refused to come to the table to talk with Republicans, who were asking for a delay on the rollout while things got straightened out. Hussein refused any and all delays on ACA/Obamacare, being narcissistic. Less than one month later, he is saying “let’s just delay this for a while and get it fixed.” Idiot! That’s all anyone else was really asking for while you pouted like a child!!

    Don’t forget how many people he has exempted so THEY don’t have to pay these expensive fines – that includes all muslims, congress, and of course, the king himself and his family.
    All or none in a national health care plan!! NO EXEMPTIONS.

    Meanwhile, it isn’t really working in any country that has socialized medicine.
    It is why people come to America to get operations they are on endless waiting lists for in their own countries. It doesn’t work, never did and never will!!

    Obamacare – another step in making everyone equally poor, not equally healthy.

  • KellyKAFIR

    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!! EAT YOUR PEAS!!! Elections have consequences, you stupid libtard kool aid drinkers!! Enjoy your “affordable healthcare” hahahahah!

  • valhallavoice

    He is President Oopsbama now.

  • KrustyLovesYou

    Once an obamunist… always an obamunist…

  • DizzyMissL

    Here is another one:

    My Obamacare Cancellation”Seething at a President I helped elect.”

    By Bruce Barcott 11/18 9:00am

    We received the letter in the mail a couple months ago. The good people at Regence Bluecross Blueshield were pleased to inform us that due to Obamacare our current low-monthly premium, comically-high deductible medical policy would no longer exist come January 1, 2014. Pleased, because a new and better plan would be offered in its place. Old monthly premium: $578 for a family of four (non-smoking, helmet-wearing, and paternally snipped). New premium: $1,123. A 94% increase.

    I love these stories:)

  • monkey

    Ok wait, the program she is a huge fan of wont help her afford healthcare that she needs and she has no problem with it? Also she will have to pay even more out of her own pocket…… This is the type of thought process that leads us where we are, we think somehow we can have it all….. 50k a year and she thinks she deserves a break on her health insurance…. maybe she needs to take a long hard look at her finances and where she can trim her budget some because if i made that much per year i certainly would not be throwing a fit about all of this or expecting a government hand out to pay for my insurance….. sheesh. When will they just admit they rushed into this and did not give it the proper time it needed…. not only that but somehow in the past the united states managed to get dragged into world war 2, build an arsenal and end the war in the same amount of time they have had to build one functional website….. and it doesn’t work….. wow just wow.

  • Sally Smith

    Where is the father of her child???????

  • No longer shocked

    She makes $50,000 a year and wants subsidies????? Sorry, subsidies are ONLY for those near the poverty line. I don’t get it, why do you liberals immediately “write a letter” (nobody writes letters anymore) to the President all the time? If her child’s father isn’t paying child support, shouldn’t her focus be on that instead of writing a letter to the President?????

    • DizzyMissL

      Liberals worship of politicians is just plain creepy.

  • Harry Ball

    Sanford is a blind Obama follower who deserves high premiums and deductibles.

  • jeanneb

    Uh oh….I found ANOTHER error and it, too, is not in her favor.

    The article states she faces “a penalty of $95″ if she remains uninsured. Er, no, the penalty is $95 OR 1% of income. If her adjusted income is $50,000, then her “penalty”* will be $500. Poor Jessica thought she was going to live the Life of Julia. and ended up with no health insurance and a loss of $500.

    *(BTW, it’s a tax, not a “penalty”. According to the Supreme Court the mandate would be unconstitutional if it’s a “penalty” rather than a tax.)

  • VladamirUntruksur

    Wait, what? This applies to ME? But how is that? I mean I voted for him…TWICE! Shouldn’t I receive my illegal exemption just like the Senate, just like Congress, just like the unions and just like everyone else that kept up the charade and contributed millions to his reelection? No? Oh this is just not FAIR!

    Man…next thing you know the Obamaphone lady will be losing her cell!

    (I love it when Liberals get what they voted for. This satire brought to you by this mornings second cup of coffee…)

  • johnfembup

    “. . . you know, it feels very out of control.”

    You feel that Jessica because it IS very out of control.

  • APR

    “…she will have to pay a penalty of $95.”

    No, Mr. Smith, it is “$95, or 1% of income, whichever is greater” so she will have to pay a penalty of $500, not $95!
    This is a very common mistake, though.

  • Ingeborg m

    ….and she is still a big Obama fan! There is the problem; she just doesn’t get it! If pushed, I bet she’ll blame Bush.

  • ClydeS

    Why doesn’t the dad pay child support? Isn’t he legally obligated to do so? Get a lawyer, lady, and sue the deadbeat to support his kid!

    • Bill Gryan

      My guess is he’s a meth addict sleeping in a treatment center somewhere, waiting for his next AIDS treatment.

      But he’s a proud Obama supporter, and eligible for subsidies under Obamacare. I hope the President gives him a shout-out.

      • DoubleHelix

        Comments like this are pointless and make you seem petty and ignorant

        • Bill Gryan

          Yet comments like mine are somehow a frighteningly accurate reflection of reality.

          • DoubleHelix

            lol, i guess some peoples reality

  • Bill Gryan

    Lady, you break it, you buy it. Shut up and open your purse. Here’s the new insurance policy that you voted for.

    • DoubleHelix

      My vote has saved me nearly $300 per month, I’ll take that to the bank.

      • Bill Gryan

        You can thank the US taxpayer for supporting you. Too bad you couldn’t support yourself in the country that has created more wealthy people than any other country in history.

        • DoubleHelix

          I don’t get a subsidy douchebag, so fuck off. I pay my way and always have.

          • Bill Gryan

            My my, the party of “tolerance” can really get angry sometimes.

            Has it ever occurred to you why you are paying less now? Could it be that, regardless of subsidy, someone else is footing the bill for you?

          • DoubleHelix

            No, its because I am only buying insurance for my wife and son, my employer provides mine free of charge. And I’m not of the party of tolerance, you shouldn’t generalize people.

          • Bill Gryan

            Oh, so you can support yourself, but not your wife. That makes it clearer now. So your wife can thank the US taxpayer, and all those people putting in 60-hour weeks who had a sense of self-sufficiency and self-respect.

          • DoubleHelix

            lol, you’re funny. She can actually thank me for putting in 52-60 hour weeks and paying exactly the same amount for her an my son as I did before on an open insurance market. If you really do want to help out though, I could use a taint licker.

          • Bill Gryan

            Oh my, now the party of “tolerance” is into disparaging gays? Oh, I never would have guessed, after all the flowery speeches about gay marriage.

            Bottom line: You could afford insurance for your wife and son. But you’d prefer it if someone else could pay your way.
            If you were a man, you’d be ashamed of yourself.

      • jeanneb

        Speaking of pointless comments! NO ONE has ever denied the ACA helps some people. We’ve had that drummed into our heads for the past 4 years. THAT they told the truth about.

        But at the same time you minimize those, like me, who have always had insurance and will be uninsured come January. “They may pay a little more….”. Easy to say when you’re the one benefiting from their overpayment. Maybe they CAN’T afford it. But the main point is they were LIED TO. “You can keep it…” turned out to be “You can stuff it…”. They lied then, they’re lying now, and they don’t care how many people are being hurt. All they care about is power and their legacies. They’re revolting.

        • Bill Gryan

          Hey, as long as DoubleHelix gets his “free stuff”, that’s all that matters. Forward!

      • TMLutas

        The first year is going to provide your best results because the government people managed, some of the time, to get insurance companies to reduce prices when they shouldn’t have. Be prepared for a surprise when you get your 2015 premium when they’ll have better data.

        Insurance games won’t fix our medical prices. Improved price discovery will. That’s a relatively simple fix, involving the federal government cutting a $70M yearly check to the AMA for a nationwide license for the CPT and allowing everybody in the US to use pricing codes to find out the least expensive providers.

  • Stan_LS

    “She says she wants to make it clear she has no beef with Obama and Obamacare.” – then stop complaining.

    • TMLutas

      What she has is a beef with how the state implemented it. And that is why so many GOP governments declined to play the bad guy and take all the lumps for the federal government’s mistakes. The feds set it up so they get the credit and the state takes the blame. That’s no way to achieve accountability and is a recipe for finger pointing and useless blame shifting.

      • Stan_LS

        Sorry, who’s responsible for “Obamacare”? It got 0 GOP support. Democrats own it. Pretending that those who who rammed it through are to remain blameless is useless and not constructive.

        • TMLutas

          You’ve completely misunderstood my post. I was explaining why the GOP position was justified and how the Obama position was fundamentally dishonest. Perhaps I didn’t do it as clearly as I should. That is something I would regret.

  • immykal

    “I am a big Obama fan” – then you deserve whatever you get Dimwit

  • Realtor Rick

    I have no sympathy for her at all. If she is not smart enough to realize President Obama and Obamacare will destroy our entire health care system and continue to promote the segragation of Americans into separate classes she is willfully blind.

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  • visceralrebellion

    Oh man, this is too delicious. She’s willing to throw everyone else overboard to save Obama but heaven forbid she’s thrown overboard too. She’s perfectly willing to stand before us and say, “Yes I’m an idiot and believe every word I’m fed but don’t blame Obama for this mess!”

    Eat it woman. You wanted it, you got it. Hope you enjoy the negative budget balance at the end of each month. Tool.

  • Rob

    I’m a little surprised there might be a subsidy for someone making near 50 grand, albeit a single parent with a child. I’m a little more surprised someone the computers thought was making $4,166 a year was supposed to be able to pay $126 a month… that’s more than a third of their almost non-existent income. How?

    • Bill Gryan

      I was thinking the same thing about her subsidy. I’m no mathematician, but her income is above average. In terms of income, she’s part of the richest 50%.

      I know the math is more complicated than what I’m suggesting. But on its face, shouldn’t she expect to be one of the subsidizers instead of a subsidizee?

  • Florida Girl

    I see that it seemed to be a wonderful program as long as other people were going to foot most of her insurance premiums, then………..

    • Bill Gryan

      Americans were taught that they could each put 10 nickels into a hat, and each pull out ten dimes when they needed them.

      • william

        yep, so true

    • OK_Sam

      Just like the woman in California found last week!

  • william

    LOL, AAAAAAAAHahahahahahahahahahahaha, AAAAAAhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!

    • william

      God that is so funny!

      • william

        Obama, you kill me, LOL aaahahahaha.

  • jvermeer51

    Barack Hussein Blutarsky: “You ****ed up, you trusted us.”
    Francisco D’Anconia: “Brother, you deserved it.”
    Obamavoter: “I was for Obamacare until I found I had to pay for it.”

  • Flax Seed

    So she was for it before she found out she had to pay for it.

    • william

      you got it!

    • José of Manhattan

      Libtards always find things out the hard way. It’s practically the only way they get to learn anything that is actually so.

    • Ricard

      c.f. George Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm.’

  • thewlyno

    My question is who is going to ring her doorbell and yell “SURPRISE, GOTCHA”…

    • william

      God this is so funny!! keep it coming, I’m crying hear. My wife thinks I’ve lost it, lol.

  • Sal befor

    so , Obama used her letter. Will he publicly make a correction to the falsehood he told about here.

    • william

      On another note, take a sec and read my next post if you got the time. if not skip it and thx.

  • BlackBettysBlog

    ” It is like a big machine – you put your stuff in there and once you do it, it is impossible to do anything. You can’t get through to them [on the phone], the website is really limited. So you are stuck on this big treadmill of bureaucracy, and you know, it feels very out of control.”

    Oh, boo-hoo. That’s how the Big Government does things. You’d think with this reality finally sprung upon her, this Class-A idiot would see liberalism for what it is, but no: “She still believes in the Affordable Care Act.”

    She’d have to get a PhD to rise to level of low-infomration.

  • william

    Please forgive my spelling,

    Stop lessening to these
    Commies, It has nothing to do with the role out! It’s this thing they’re
    calling a law. It is unconstitutional as hell and I knew our government had
    sold us out (both the Democrats and the establishment Republicans) but our
    supreme court as well? How did these Commies pull that off is beyond me but I
    bet it has something to do with the NSA and something they dug up on the justices
    that serve on the Supreme Court. It is obvious to even a 3rd grader that this “law” is so unconstitutional
    that it’s sick. I don’t care which side of the isle you stand on, if you just
    stop and think about this, there is only one conclusion you can come to. It’s
    unconstitutional as hell. How can anyone force you to buy something that you do
    not want and then if you don’t, they punish you by forcing you to pay a fine.
    Calling it a Tax does not change the fact that it is a form of punishment for
    those that do not do what the government wants them to do. It would be no
    deferent if one day they said that they’re tired of all these illegal
    immigrants driving with no insurance and getting into accidents. So instead of
    kicking them out of the country, they just say “we got a new law” it’s called
    the ACA (Affordable Car Act). Now everyone in this country will
    pay the government $300 a month from the age of 16 to death and every one will
    now be covered from those that don’t have insurance and if you don’t pay us
    then we are going to take it out of your bank account , send IRS agents to your
    house to harass you and/or put a lean on anything you own. But wait, you don’t
    have a car. Hell you don’t even have a bike. Let’s say you walk to work or take
    a cab or buss. But because you are 16 or over, one day you may for some reason
    find yourself behind the wheel of a car and there for will need car insurance,
    Hence “THE LAW”. Do you see how crazy this is? do you see how un constitutional
    this is? But, But, But it will help the majority of people you say. Since when
    does that make it right to trample on the rights of others, even the one? O,
    it’s all good until you are the one who is getting the shaft. This government
    was never mint to take care of the majority at the expense of others. That is
    Communism/Socialism. That is the role of the people and it’s communities. This
    Government is hear for the sole purpose of protecting the rights of the
    individual, so the majority cannot romp over you or anyone else’s God given
    rights. “it’s for the greater good”, that BS line has been used by every
    two-bit wood be dictator from the beginning of time, worldwide and to present
    day. That is why we (our four fathers) established this nation the way they
    did. In order to insure that this would never happen again (at lease hear).
    That is such the wrong mind set and this government has exceeded its mandate
    and needs to be overhauled ASAP. We are selling our Nation and its people out
    for a pipe dream that time after time has never worked anywhere in the world.
    What makes you think we will be the ones that get it right? God the hubris of
    our nation is staggering. Now yes, there needs to be an answer to health care
    in this country but this is not it nor should we be looking to government for
    the answer either as this Government has gone from by the people for the people
    to by the government for the government and damn the people. For the
    government’s part, it’s all about controlling us and they could care less about
    our health. When this started can be debated but fact is this is where we are
    today. Answers to this important question need to come from us and our
    community with great care not to invade on the rights of the individual as the
    individual is where our strength comes from and harm to ones rights is harm to
    us all. I hope I have made since to you and if you are a supporter of the ACA,
    I hope I have shown you why this is so wrong and needs to be stopped. Fact is
    that that I think I have an answer that would provide free health care for all
    Americans, that’s right FREE but it would require the government to give the
    power back to its people and it would require the people to take a much more
    active role in government but I fear that our government will never give the
    power back to the people without a fight. Therefore, until we take our country
    back from these criminally insane control freaks, my idea will never work. It
    would also require that we take the rights of a citizen away from the corporations as well and that is a
    another fight as they will not want to give that up either (this should never
    have been given to corps to start with).With all this said, My family and I
    will not take part in O’Commie-care in any way what so ever and I will do
    everything in my power to insure that I do not pay the fines. I will not be
    part of anything that strips the rights away from my fellow Americans and flies
    in the face of our constitution. I’m only one man and I may lose but I will go
    down fighting for my family and yours. I will not sell you out for a hand full
    of beads, my American brothers and sisters. To those of you that would say that
    I’m not doing this for you, I say yes I am and I’m sorry you do not see it that
    way but I hope that one day you and your children will. To those that
    understand what I’ve just said and agree with me, please help me in my fight by
    not ever giving up and fighting back at every turn. Know that we may lose but
    it is a far better life to go down fighting than to live a life as a slave to
    this or any other government. I had rather die than sell out my countrymen and
    our constitution. O and the day this is no longer a law I will go on line and
    check it out to see how much it will cost my family as we would love to get
    some insurance but as long as they are going to ram this unconstitutional law
    down our necks, I will have no part in it (even if it cost $1 a month as that
    is NOT THE POINT). Please remember that it’s not about right or left, it’s
    about right and wrong (live free or die a slave). May God bless you all and I
    thank you for taking the time to hear me out.



    A Constitutional Loving

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  • Kauf Buch

    These are the sort of people I hope DIE because of Obamacare. They will take US down with them if we don’t stop them first.

    She says she “can’t afford” insurance because “the deductibles are too high”?!?
    Honey, WAIT until you have an emergency WITHOUT insurance…before you see what YOU REALLY CAN’T AFFORD. Idiot!

  • ms Biddle

    She has to realize it is her job to pay for the ones who can’t afford better coverage. Suffer and pay.

  • Alarms & Discursions

    The most important comment to make about this story, and the one that really captures the tenor of what must be the rational, decent citizen’s response is simply this: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

  • Belial Issimo

    What a dupe.

  • Misanthrope

    This woman has a gift for making poor choices.

    • DoubleHelix

      I know, she should have gotten a job with benefits

  • Chickadee

    It is my understanding that the penalty for not signing up is the GREATER of $95 OR 1% OF INCOME. Doesn’t this mean her penalty (tax?) would be $500???

  • Syntyr

    It sucks to find out you are the host, when you thought you were the parasite!

    • 4thHorseman of the Confederacy

      Love your brand of sacasm & wit!

  • Nick

    “Under the terms of the Affordable Care Act, she will have to pay a penalty of $95.”

    You have calculated the penalty incorrectly. It is, minus a deductible, 1% of gross in 2014, 2% in 2015, and 2.5% in 2016 – per adult. Children are penalized at 50% of that. So using the 2014 level and a 50K salary, her penalty for 2014 will be $603.75.

    Actual penalty – $603.75 in 2014, $1207.50 in 2015, and $1509.40 in 2016.

    You OCare supporters never were good at math. The results of this article were predicted – this is a redistribution policy, nothing else.

    • DoubleHelix

      Sorta like EIC, Social Security, Medicare, etc…..

      • Bill Gryan


        A government program intended only to buy votes is always unsustainable.

  • DoubleHelix

    I despise senior citizens on medicare, useless leeches sucking on the teat of the productive portion of society. Now there are even more filthy poor children and more on expanded medicaid doing the same. They should just let them all die off of starvation and sickness. I spit on charity, the common good and the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    • Bill Gryan

      You mean you despise those people who already paid into the system. That generation of people who fought wars and lived within their means.

      Because there’s not enough money left over to subsidize younger people like you, who haven’t paid anything into the system. It’s going to be harder for you to afford that new jet ski. Have I got that right?

      You’re a champion of the poor, but eager to accept the $300/month savings that Obamacare offers you. You plan on donating it to charity?

      • DoubleHelix

        Nah, I’m not into water sports, and not everyone from that generation lived within their means, by any means. I have been paying into that system as required for the last 18 years and will continue to do so.

      • DoubleHelix

        Hi Bill. What kind of insurance do you have?

        • Bill Gryan

          I’m a self-employed high-earner and buy a “gold” plan from a major insurer with a high deductible. Costs $1300 per month for the whole family.

          I’ve put far more into the plan than I’ve ever taken out, but I’d like to think the people I’m subsidizing are not deadbeats.

          My friend tells me I’ll pay less under Obamacare. If that’s the truth, then the ACA is an even crappier law than it appears to be already.

          • DoubleHelix

            So minus your high deductible, you have good healthcare already, so you don’t really have to worry, you just like to complain. Do you enjoy paying more than you have to for a plan? If so, does it make sense fiscally to continue doing so if you can purchase an equivalent or better plan through the exchanges for less? How long until you reach eligibility for Medicare?

          • Bill Gryan

            When did I complain? Because I ask people like you and the woman in this article (above-average earners) to pick up some of your own slack? Who is the real complainer?

            I don’t enjoy paying more than I have to, but I’m aware that my payment covers other people. I suppose I could game the system and try to join the parasite club. But when only parasites are left, who is the host?

          • DoubleHelix

            lol, all of us hosts buying healthcare through the exchanges without receiving any subsidies. I carry my weight Bill. Paid for my college by working full time while attending university full time. I have never been on any assistance programs. I did collect unemployment for a month, but I paid into that right? Like I said earlier, I support my family and provide for them very well while not creating unsecured debt. I have to say I am quite proud of my accomplishments, I came from a poor family and still chose to forgo Pell grants and pay for my education myself. With Healthcare premiums increasing at an average of 12% annually and raises at my fortune 30 employer as stagnant as swamp water, I will not continue to realize a net income reduction from year to year if I can avoid it. Maybe if I lived in Jersey there would be more work available, but thats not the case right now so we have to keep the jobs we have in this job market.

          • Bill Gryan

            I appreciate that you’ve been a stand-up guy in the past. But if you’re an above-average earner and you’re now saving money on healthcare, something just isn’t going to add up right. You should have looked into ACA further before you gave it your enthusiastic support.

            If I were you, I would not be very optimistic about your future employment prospects. We have done serious long-term damage to free markets with the election of this president. These are the free markets that have made us so prosperous, and we’ve now bitten the hand that feeds us. In the future, jobs will be more scarce and will not pay as well. In the next election, you need to think more about your longer-term interests, rather than the extra $300 per month that you’ll receive.

            And it was your employer who paid into your unemployment insurance, not you.

          • DoubleHelix

            Actually, I’m relocating to DC in 3 months to take a great job with a hefty bump in pay. Granted there is quite a COL adjustment, but it still puts me at roughly 55K more annually after adjustment. I agree with you on the unemployment insurance thing, except, when that employer gave us our ‘real income’ breakdown they included everything but the kitchen sink on it, in including unemployment insurance, and benefits contributions, so as far as they were concerned it was part of my salary, a tax essentially. I’m optimistic about the future. Not just with ACA, but for America in general. We have been through tougher times than this, I minored in history. We we’ll come through all the divisive politics, and mudslinging even stronger than before. I’ll be spending part of next year in Denmark on a contract, I look forward to experiencing what it has to offer, maybe I’ll like it, they are happier than us.

    • Nick

      Isn’t it you liberals who have slaughtered almost 56 MILLION babies since 1973? 16 million of them black (much higher black abortion rate than the population mix as a whole). Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, wanted to see a higher abortion rate among blacks. So, cry me a river. Jesus would throw you into the pit for your hypocrisy.

      Here’s the basic fact. You can’t “give” people something like healthcare without taking something from someone else. By doing so, you are not engaging in charity, you are engaging in turning those whom you are taking money from, the fruits of their labor, into slaves. We are all born with just a minimal amount of time on this planet. When you redistribute, you have stolen the most precious thing we all are given, time – time with our loved ones, time with our families, time to engage ourselves.

      • DoubleHelix

        lol, I’m no doctor, I’ve never slaughtered any fetuses. SLAVES? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Has anyone informed the rest of the industrialized world of this? They may want to know. We are all slaves to something are we not?

        • Nick

          No argument? Obviously you don’t have one.

          And no, there is a difference between voluntary activity, and being forced under threat of imprisonment. At least have the honesty to admit that you are stealing from others to further your aims. Not that you have honesty.

          • DoubleHelix

            Prison? Who is going to prison? Do you mean failure to pay an unenforceable penalty to the IRS if you choose not to purchase healthcare on the exchanges? I don’t agree with your assessment of ACA as a redistribution program. If it were the Heritage Foundation wouldn’t have come up with it and Bob Dole wouldn’t have pitched it. Single Payer, now thats what gets me at full mast.

    • A Smith

      I think DoubleHelix is saying what he believes conservatives believe. And of course, coming across as a d-bag.

  • FarmBoy11B

    actually, the penalty is 95 dollars or 1% of income. She’s in for another rude awakening if she thinks she is only paying $95. One percent of 44,680 is 446.80. Oh and the IRS rounds up.

    • cjinva

      No, no. Remember, it’s not a “penalty,” it’s a tax. Hey, didn’t Obama also promise he wouldn’t raise taxes on the middle class? I guess that means Ms. Stanford is actually rich.

      And that’s just the first year. She gets to look forward to increased “taxes” for not buying healthcare in the years afterward.

  • takeresponsibility

    She stills supports the ACA but she can’t afford the insurance, so why support it, and my goodness before the ACA making 50K a year there certainly were lower cost plans with lower deductibles you could have afforded and been just fine. This is amazing how ignorant the American public truly are.

    • SClanding

      As the European newspaper commented back in 2008….

      The biggest problem for American is NOT the election of Barack Hussein Obama as the country would survive whatever disasters this one man could foist on it in 48 years, the biggest problem is that a country has a group of people whom are so ill-informed and so lacking in intelligence that they would elect such a unqualified, dishonest candidate to the office.

      This woman is a PRIME example of those people…she has just been sold a bill of goods by a whole party of dishonest LIARS, yet she is “still a fan”.

      • takeresponsibility

        I couldn’t agree more, we may still come out of this OK, but it looks bleaker and bleaker everytime I read about people like this, I still support but I cannot afford it, then what good is this law, and please take a little responsibility for your life and don’t be looking for the government to help because the government will disappoint everytime.

  • Ruttles Rohan

    Well you know to a fat cat like her this should be no big deal, right? Have you brilliant (formerly) middle class useful tools figured out yet that you are the cash cows that be milked dry to pay for Fibber Hussein’s Obamacare yet? Stick around, it get much worse, when the young healthy’s flip Fibber the bird and cause next years premium to get REALLY high…..

  • tward3

    She’s a “big Obie-one supporter”. Screw her. I feel bad for her kid, but she deserves this.

  • jetty

    She’s still a big fan of Obama’s, though, so:

    • SacramentoJim

      She can’t add ford the meds that help her delusions. LOL

  • JoeKlip

    She got prescribed to some really strong Kool-Aid.

  • devan95

    Will Obamacare be repealed or won’t it? Will Congress fund it or won’t it? Blah, blah, blah. We the people just need to do what we need to do and Congress be damned. Resist. Refuse. Revolt. EXEMPT OURSELVES! We did not comply with Prohibition and we simply should not comply with Obamacare. For religious reasons. For privacy reasons. For the cause of liberty and freedom and in protest of the idea that the federal government (under one party rule, no less), can force private citizens to purchase anything with our own money. Are we citizens or subjects? Mice or men(women)? Just say NO to socialism and to the corrupt, unionized, far left IRS, the gestapo of America’s political class. After all, the federal government ignores millions of illegals who are breaking U.S. immigration law every day and nothing happens to them. Selective enforcement of our laws is just as UN-Constitutional as the Obamacare law itself! (Supreme Court be damned as well). Our Founders pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. All we have to do is just say no to a scheme we all know is un-American and a violation of our most basic founding fundamentals of privacy, self reliance, limited government and individual freedom.

  • Jeremiah

    “But to me there is a big problem with the way the state is handling it. It is like a big machine – you put your stuff in there and once you do it, it is impossible to do anything.”

    Now that’s just the state govt. Imagine what you can do with a machine the size of the federal govt! It can chew people up in one gulp and spit them out the other end many many times without failing! It comes pre-packaged with corrupt officials, lobbyists and special interests, and politicians who are just looking to win the next election cycle, not meet the needs of their constituents. It’s the perfect machine, and can be yours for every cent you have ever earned.

  • Roederer

    A woman with one child making almost $50,000 gets a subsidy of $450 a month and ends up with a monthly premium of $169 a month?

    Most of us would quickly realize this was probably a mistake.

    But not your typical Obama acolyte. These poor saps actually believe the ludicrous fantasies spun by Obama, by all Democrats, and by his loyal eunuchs in the media. Keep your plan! Keep your doctor! Premiums will come down by $2500 ! Republicans are liars!

    So, instead of being skeptical, the swooning Liberal writes a letter to her benevolent leader tearfully thanking him for his generous gifts. Sad, but not all that surprising.

    She makes 50 grand. She’ll eventually sort it out and be fine.

    The surprising thing here is that there is someone who is actually more clueless, more uninformed , and way more idiotic than Mrs. Sanford, who after all, cannot be expected to have detailed knowledge of Obamacare. She just listened to the President and, regrettably, believed all of his wild claims. She has an excuse.

    But how stupid do you have to be to get up on front of the country and brag about someone making $50,000 with one child qualifies for a $450 monthly subsidy and will pay $169 monthly premium??

    Obama can’t even remember how the subsidies work! Does he know anything? And he uses this example to make his case for Obamacare? Where is his grip on reality? Why doesn’t this idiot have even a basic grasp of how much insurance should cost an average person?

    Poor Mrs. Sanford believed the Obamacare fantasy. Reality caught up with her as it eventually does.

    But Obama remains as steadfastly clueless as ever.

  • carla5731

    I’m also self-employed but was smart enough to analyze the legislation years before it was implemented. I realized that the ACA was all about forcing middle-class people like me to overpay for government-mandated coverage, full benefits we don’t need, in order to pay for everyone else’s subsidies. I feel bad for people who believed the government was telling the truth and waited to be saved.

  • Laura Fulbusch

    it is getting worse, nothing is working to help these poor people get their free stuff

  • JFP

    You voted for Obama twice. Oh… you don’t blame the misnamed ACA or the president. The states are just implemeting the law. The states were given $4 billion to help roll out Obamacare. Oh, and your state is dominated by Democrats … I assume you voted for them as well.

  • nobama1267

    Suck it up and deal with it. You voted for this SH twice.

    • Bill Gryan

      Amen, I hope they deduct her new premium directly from her paycheck.

  • SacramentoJim

    Another drone democrat voter who reality is slapping in the face.

  • carmenta

    sorry dear – you bought the farm, so don’t complain about the stink! perhaps you should have thought about where the free lunch was going to come from and not been so eager to take what you haven’t earned

  • Diggsc

    Bwahahahahahahahah! And Obamabot Leftard thinks that her health insurance is going to be nearly free, and she’s overjoyed to let Obama give her a facial on national TV. Then she finds out that not only is her insurance going to be very expensive, but she also has to pay for some OTHER lazy Democrat voter’s insurance, and now it’s even more expensive than it was before Obamacare. Welcome to the real world, moron.

    Now be a good serf, and go onto and see how much it’s going to cost you each month to live in Obama’s kingdom.

  • Abby Coffey

    You, madam, are an idiot. This man is screwing you and your family and you still love him. You deserve everything you get. Can’t fix stupid.

  • zimmieindc

    Well, I can certainly see why she is such a big fan of Mr. Obama and Obamacare. Who was it that said “Voters get the government they deserve”?

  • Ricard

    This is not surprising; we have not been raising our children to think and act as citizens for over a generation now. What the founders have warned against we have allowed; an truly uneducated citizenry. Bring back true Western Civ requirements in High School and College and there will be far fewer sheep willing to have the wool pulled over their eyes.

    • carla5731

      In addition to civics, a healthy dose of both financial and legal literacy is warranted.

      If people understood that any law that’s 2000 plus pages and begets 20,000 plus pages of regulations is likely to tie their lives up in bureaucratic knots, they’ll stop supporting these huge government power grabs.

      • Ricard

        You’re channeling Madison…c.f. Federalist 62. ;-)

        • carla5731

          That’s the nicest thing anyone has said to me all week!

          His warnings about “mutable policy” have been on my mind lately too.

  • Monty Saylor

    LMAO hey people you’ve been conned,daddy isn’t coming to pick you up for ice cream.Now,why don’t you get mad and start doing research on some qualified people for the 2014 elections.

  • htuttle

    Subsidies? For NOW.
    1 billion percent GUARANTEED that those will be the FIRST thing the government decides to ‘take back’ once it feels it needs them.
    And once this monstrosity is in place there won’t be a DAMN THING anyone can do about it. Period.
    Once the change is made to force high cost insurance that you can only afford with the ‘government’s help’ the GOVERNMENT will have total control of your entire life. PERIOD.

  • Techster64

    The next to last paragraph fully explains why we are in this mess. People still believe in a fairy tale that is Obama. She is still a big Obama fan, even though she should be aware that the ACA is a big scam job. She still does not understand that ACA is about wealth redistribution and government control than about health insurance or health care. Wake up, Sanford.

  • Morgan Warstler

    It get’s worse, her fine is $500, not $95. It’s 1% of her income this year or $95 whichever is higher. Then it’s 2.5% or $1250 that she gets to spend to so another single mom with more kinds and making less money can get PPO care for 70% off.

  • Thor

    As she is self employed, she would be able to deduct her insurance on her tax return, in effect obtaining a subsidy.

    • Ricard

      I believe this would be true if she were incorporated and she the only employee of that corporation…I’m a bit fuzzy on that, but even so, the deduction offset is limited to the tax rate, so it’s not going to be large enough to turn the expense into a subsidy.

  • BoSplosion

    “I don’t want this to be a political thing,” she says. “I don’t want to
    be bashing the president. I don’t want to be bashing the ACA. I don’t
    want to come across as saying that. I am a big Obama fan.”

    Someone get this poor woman treated for Stockholm Syndrome.

  • Adkhiker692

    Liberals are all for free stuff to be given out to people until they find out they’re the ones that have to pay for it. Liberalism is a mental disease.

  • paladin

    But I still LOVE Big Brother! I do, I do, I do!

  • Asok Asus

    New definition of a conservative:

    A conservative is a liberal who had their excellent, affordable health care insurance cancelled by Obamacare and then found out they couldn’t afford to buy an Obamacare policy because they didn’t qualify for subsidies.

    In other words, a conservative is a liberal who was mugged by Obamacare.

    • storibund

      Actually, I’d be surprised if any of these dimwitted stooges who are just now realizing that they have been targeted all along to pay for this swindle, are intelligent enough to actually comprehend conservatism.

      It’s about ideas and ideals, not just empty emoting and vapid slogans – probably way beyond most of these useful idiots.

  • Bandit

    Whoops no handout for you Missy

  • htuttle

    But she still LOVES Obama, just like a beaten wife still loves her abusive spouse.

  • 500_lb_Gorrila

    What an utter fool!

  • DenverDiva

    What a dumbass, stupid, brain dead idiot of a woman. First, why isn’t she getting child support?? That’s her own fault and no one else’s. Second, she put her faith in the government to ‘help her out’. That again is her fault and no one else’s. Third, she’s still an obama supporter..? Really? You can’t fix stupid.

  • RockNRollinHoneyBadger

    The lady is the embodiment of a sheep. Pure unadulterated sheep.

  • darpot

    “I am a big Obama fan”

    Even when Obama is caught lying to them 27 times, they still don’t get it.
    No wonder this country is in trouble when it has people that clueless.

    • devan95

      You need to watch the movie Idiocracy to really appreciate how screwed we are. It’s supposed to be a futuristic spoof but it is pretty close to modern day America. Sadly.

  • Mark O’Neill

    Health coverage will be expensive. We have to really think and plan how we’re going to do this. Try things out on a state by state basis. And at the same time open up the markets to competing ideas.

  • rbeccah

    Sanford has been royally screwed over, but she’s still a True Believer in Obama. No sympathy here.

  • devan95

    Ever stop to wonder why the National Socialist Party is so hell bent on taking over health care? Well, think about those yellow cones, BarryCades and extortion…..

  • Constitution First

    It’s not a defect, it’s a feature.

  • bdelsol

    the solution is simple. work less and make a lot less money so obama can take care of you. you might even get a free phone out of the deal.

  • I love Obama

    This is exaggerated right wing lies as usual. Jessica is still very happy with Obama and the ACA. Try harder, right wing liars. Tea Bagging fools.

    • DizzyMissL

      We know. We can read you dolt.

    • devan95

      There is a reason you ride the short bus….

      • I love Obama

        There is a reason why you are poor and live in a trailer park and have bedbugs.

    • Ricard

      I suggest you look up the definition of ‘cognitive dissonance.’

      • I love Obama

        I suggest your curb you obvious racial hatred.

        • Ricard

          I didn’t realize that understanding ‘cognitive dissonance’ was a sign of racial disparagement.

          • I love Obama

            You don’t realize anything. You are a sub-human right winger.

          • Ricard

            “You are a sub-human right winger.”

            On what basis do you reach that conclusion?

          • Andrew

            LOL..yes, sub-human..which explains why Liberals are so quick to KILL, rather than live and let live. You are an embarrassment to humanity.

          • I love Obama

            Please. You want children to DIE.

          • Ricard

            Actually, that sentiment is reserved for the pro-abortionists.

            …excuse me…’women’s health advocates.’

          • Andrew

            come back and say that after Obamacare has decided your children MUST go on some kind of Anti-Psychotic, because THEY said so!!

          • I love Obama

            Curb your racial hatred, bigot redneck

      • Andrew

        cognitive dissonance noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
        Mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information. The concept was introduced by the psychologist Leon Festinger (1919–89) in the late 1950s. He and later researchers showed that, when confronted with challenging new information, most people seek to preserve their current understanding of the world by rejecting, explaining away, or avoiding the new information or by convincing themselves that no conflict really exists. Cognitive dissonance is nonetheless considered an explanation for attitude change.

  • I love Obama

    Yawn. More right wing lies. The ACA is improving lives all over the country. Just because some Texas Tea Party lazy hicks had their bad policies cancelled doesn’t mean we should all be worried. Who cares about those losers anyhow? They are dying off over time.

    • Ricard

      I suggest you curb your obvious racial hatred.

      • I love Obama

        Nice try, right winger. That’s your area of expertise and pride. I’m a progressive. You are too stupid to know what’s good for you.

        • Ricard

          “You are too stupid to know what’s good for you.”

          I suppose I should let kind, empathetic, understanding progressives such as yourself to make my decisions for me?

    • Andrew

      Really? Still waiting for examples of these “improvements”. So far, unless you’re super rich, the only one’s getting any benefit are Medicaid and Medicare recipients, as they’re the only ones who actually benefit from this policy.

    • AngelaE8654

      LOL, I think some people actually believed you were serious. :-D

  • bdelsol

    what is it obama said, “I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.” now we know the certain point he was talking about — 300% of the poverty level.

    • AngelaE8654

      Yeah, so the royalties on his books need to go to someone ELSE. He’s made enough money.

      • bdelsol

        Well, like all of his policies, there happens to be exemptions and carve-outs and delays and what not. So the “enough money” policy just happens to exempt himself. And Goldman Sachs contributors. And unions. You know, those entrusted to bring about “fairness” and equality.

  • jjthetraveler

    I live up in Everett just north of Seattle. This place is a leftist’s dream. Militant union, lib policies, ultra high rents and real estate prices, etc. Bad place for retirement. I am so happy this lib schmooz will finally get what she and many others have coming to them. BTW I’m planning my exit strategy because I think Boeing is finally had it with the unions.

    • DizzyMissL

      I would love to see Boeing thumb their nose at WA

  • PaulG

    What a dope! She thinks she will earn $50K a year and get treated to free healthcare as a Medicaid recipient. She should be getting some subsidy per an online calculator I trust, but she still will have to pay $400/month for a silver plan. Then she will have out of pocket costs to pay which are not part of the quoted premium. You want free healthcare, try Russia where you will be given a stick by a doctor to beat your ADHD son into shape. I had an elderly relative who fell and broke her hip there. She was told that she was too old to bother with surgery and told to walk it off. I was there at the time and couldn’t believe it. She was a Siberia survivor and did just that. So please move there and stop acting so surprised nobody wants to support you.

    • AngelaE8654

      I suspect a LOT of people thought it would be free. I think this has been a RUDE AWAKENING for millions of people.

  • Dr Why

    “Only” $50,000 is a lot of money. It is significantly above the national average, and there are a great number of people who make less than the average (that’s why it’s an average).

  • wethead390

    So after all of this she is still a big Obama and big government fan…..there really is no hope left for our future.

  • taek

    So if her income is 316% of poverty rate, no Medicaid for her child, but at 300% of poverty rate, her child can qualify. That sounds like an incentive to work less.

  • MJF012

    The story reports that she will pay a $95 penalty but that is inaccurate. The penalty is $95 or 1 per cent of your income, whichever is HIGHER. So on her $50,000 income she will be paying $500 for the privelege of NOT having health insurance!

  • JonathanSwifter

    Fun new book predicted the debacle of Obamacare, as it was passed secretly without anyone reading it: Foundering Fathers: What
    Jefferson, Franklin, and Abigail Adams Saw in Modern D.C.! Second Edition (

  • caseym54

    If she is self-employed, her health-insurance costs subtract out before the MAGI number used in the ACA eligibility calculations. Almost everyone misses that point.

    While the gold- or platinum-level plan might cost more, the whole amount subtracts off and will increase her subsidy by lowering her income. Given the tiny co-pays in the platinum plan, that may be a better bet.

    • teapartydoc

      Yeah. She must be stupid not to see how well you understand her situation. Just like the government.

    • Ricard

      I believe this works if she is incorporated…not sure if she is not.

  • DizzyMissL

    Renee Elmers is talking about her right now in the House hearing.

  • buttholebamaturds

    May her kind of deadly liberal zombie completely die off in bitter deaths, before they kill us all.

    • Ricard

      Please…let’s not get entangled with progressive emotionalism. ;-)

  • RUexperienced

    … she still believes in the Affordable Healthcare Act.

    Health insurance is now more expensive for her, so she cannot enroll. Plus now she owes a penalty. But she’s still a believer.

    She sounds like one of the cult followers who still believes in her leader the day after his predicted rapture didn’t take place.

    • brother_eu

      believers like her should be assessed another 100% surcharge for stupidity

  • milt1007

    The world of the BHO…

    1. I will have the most transparent administration.

    2. I have Shovel ready jobs.

    3. The IRS is not targeting anyone.

    4. If four Americans get killed, it is not optimal.

    5. ObamaCare will be good for America.

    6. You can keep your family doctor.

    7. Premiums will be lowered by $2500

    8. You can keep your current healthcare plan

    9. Just shop around, for that healthcare I claimed
    you wouldn’t lose.

    9A. I am sorry you lost your healthcare, (you know
    the health care you have to shop around for, ya the same health care I said you
    could keep, yup, that’s the one).

    10. I did not say you could keep your health care.
    (Regardless that 29 recorded videos show I did)

    11. ObamaCare will not be offered to illegal

    12. ObamaCare will not be used to fund abortions.

    13. ObamaCare will cost less than 1 Trillion

    14. No one making under $250,000 will see their
    taxes raised one dime.

    15. It was about a movie.

    15A. I will fundamentally transform America.

    16. If I had a son.

    17. I am not a dictator.

    18. I will put an end to the type of politics that
    “breeds division, conflict and cynicism”.

    19. You didn’t build that.

    20. I will restore trust in Government.

    21. The Cambridge police acted stupidly.

    22. I am not after your guns.

    23. The fact that we are here today to debate
    raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. The BO of (2006)

    24. I have been practicing…I bowled a 129. It’s
    like — it was like Special Olympics.

    25. I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s
    good for everybody.

    26. The Public Will Have 5 Days To Look At Every
    Bill That Lands On My Desk

    27. It’s not my red line it is the worlds red line.

    28. Whistle blowers will be protected.

    29. We got back Every Dime we Used to Rescue the
    Banks, with interest.

    30. I will close Gitmo.

    31. The point I was making was not that Grandmother
    harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t, but she is a typical white person

    32. I am not spying on American citizens.

    33. By, on, on, by, Friday uh afternoon things get a
    little uh, uh challenged uh, uh ( when left to think for himself without a

    34. I am a Christian.

    I Barrack Hussein Obama pledge to preserve, protect
    and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

    Obama voters, here’s your sign…

  • Insighter1

    The country is full of them.

  • joe

    Feel sorry for this lady that she was duped by everything. However her blind loyalty to obama is scary. Cant even bring herself to admit that this whole law is a complete failure, even as it directly affected her in a negative way. yep, keep voteing for liberals, they know what is best for you, take your medicine.

  • buttholebamaturds

    Davis Obama recited the Gettysburgh address for ken burns after boycotting the sacred gathering. He intentionally deleted President Lincolns phrase again “under God”. He didn’t say under god in his ken burns Gettysburgh spot because – muzslime have different behaviors with jewish and christian verbal versions of God. For ex. their overt satanic taqia version is to pretend in order to fool, then murder the fooled dhimi. The haj version is to omit refferences to demean their host and enemy. At his evil inauguration, the half black f a g did taqia. Here in victory mosque triumph, he does haj.

  • Jonathan Vlietstra

    Maybe if the republicans didnt do everything in their power to sabotage the ACA it could have had a better roll out.
    Too bad technical issues have messed it up so bad.

    • Ricard

      This is like blaming the Challenger disaster on those who raised issues before the launch. The Republicans were powerless to accomplish sabotage of any kind.

    • brother_eu

      do you call a massive cancellation of existing insurance policies a “technical issue”? are you aware of the employer mandate portion of the act, and how it will affect the coverage starting next year? learn a few facts first please

      • Ricard

        Not to mention that the employer mandate was illegally postponed a year by Obama.

  • jtdavies

    She’s really going to be annoyed when she finds out her penalty isn’t $95. It’s supposed to be $95 or 1% of your yearly salary, whichever is higher.

    So she’ll be paying $500 penalty for no coverage.

  • quillerm

    Those who continue to support this attempt at Socializing our Healthcare System are just living in denial of the truth. A patient in the UK’s National Healthcare System has a 47% chance of better survival in US Hospitals. Leftist Government hacks will destroy our Healthcare system. They can’t even create a Web site legally. The CGI Official that got the NO-BID Contract for the ACA Website is a personal friend and classmate of Michelle Obama. She made several visits to the White House allegedly to get the deal. Million taxpayer dollars for a non-functional web site that is estimated to cost 33,000 by US IT Officials. Fraud, deceit, deception, denial, were the key to FORCING ACA on America.

  • Bob

    And this is just the beginning!!!!!

  • Rich Neusse

    ACA is nothing but a “political thing” Miss Sanford. The progressives eg socialist elites want you under their thumb and will do it through healthcare. They will control every part of your life, step by socialist step. Europe’s wonderful healthcare is not any better than the Canadian healthcare. Canadian doctors have been streaming to the USA for decades and so have Canadians for treatments, surgeries and exams which are scheduled out many months in advance.

  • savagenation

    If she makes almost $50,000 her penalty isn’t $95!, it’s going to be around $500.

    “In 2014, the penalty will be the greater of 1.0% of taxable income or $95 per adult and $47.50 per child (up to $285 per family).”

    • DizzyMissL

      She is going to freak out when she finds out she has to pay $500 for nothing. She will probably still love Barry, though

      • brother_eu

        Make Obomabots pay extra 150% surcharge for stupidity

  • schveiguy

    The obamacare tax is $95 or 1%. If she makes more than 44000, it’s going to be at least $440.

  • cheesemaster

    ” Turns out she doesn’t qualify for a tax credit after all.”

    And her dreams of stealing wages from people who have earned them go up in smoke.

  • Greg Halvorson

    Of course, the libtard will never abandon her Messiah…. These people have Stockholm Syndrome — and frankly, it’s PATHETIC.

  • Patrick Henry,The2nd

    “As a freelance court reporter, Sanford, 48, doesn’t make a lot – a little less than $50,000 a year. ”

    Doesn’t make a lot? In what world? 50K is a LOT of money! She doesn’t understand how much that is- and that’s why she doesn’t understand why she isn’t getting a subsidy.

    People think only the “rich: will get shafted. Incorrect- its people making over 30K.

  • Viva la Revolucion

    That’s the sickness of our society – she was overly supportive of the debacle when she thought others would be stuck with the bill. When she found out the truth, well, now that’s a different story. Too many people sitting in the wagon and not enough left pulling it.

  • Cognitive Reasoning

    This woman is obviously an idiot.

  • ellentodd

    Don’t worry, America! You’re in the veeeeery best of hands!

    This debacle perfectly epitomizes the pitfalls of government-run ANYTHING. Why in the WORLD would anyone trust something as important as their healthcare to POLITICIANS?

    Obama, you sold us fake magic beans for our cow. What’s your RETURN POLICY?

    PLEASE AMERICA, REPEAL THIS MONSTROSITY NOW. It is only going to get much, much worse; especially when empolyer-based policies (in the TENS OF MILLIONS) get cancelled.

    Had enough liberalism? Yeah, it looks like a nice juicy roast beef; you take a bite and you realized you’ve been served liver.

  • athrillofhope

    It gets even worse, I believe: the article is wrong about the penalty that Jessica will have to pay. It is NOT just $95 to opt out of getting health insurance. It is 1% of your gross income. So for Jessica, she will be getting YET ANOTHER letter from the system stating “So sorry, we had a calculation error. Your penalty is not $95, but $500–or 1% of your $50,000/year income.”

    The only thing shocking about this entire ordeal is that people are shocked and continue to support this Marxist takeover of the United States. ObamaCare has nothing to do with healthcare. ObamaCare is simply about de-population and government control.

    Here’s a sobering fact: the same folks who bankroll the social movements that call for de-populating the earth to 1/12 its current levels bankrolled nationalized healthcare. This also makes sense out of why abortion (murders the unborn), “gay-marriage” (non-reproductive “union”), fake feminism (actually reverse sexism designed to turn women into men), environmentalism (which views humans as a “virus” that must be eradicated), etc … are such cherished planks of the leftist agenda.

    • Bill Adams

      Yes, the one percent rule is one of the big things the media never mention; another finally gets a fleeting mention in the article: the great majority of people considerably poorer than Ms. Sanford who _will_ get their premiums tax-subsidized will be equally unable to use the policies because the deductibles are so high. If she can’t pay a 6,000 dollar deductible with her 50,000 and one sick kid (and I believe she can’t), how is anyone making under 25,000 supposed to?

      Democrats who think fixing the website will solve Obamacare’s problems have yet to grasp the reality — fixing the website is just going to show the public how expensive and provider-stingy the new policies are. Only the Medicaid parts are affordable, and they don’t provide great care. If you want to hook the public on an entitlement and make your party king for a century, you have to conceal costs and provide benefits so at least fifty-one per cent of the population thinks it’s getting a great deal. This kludge isn’t going to appeal to even twenty percent. All the blowback so far is nothing compared to what will come.

      • AngelaE8654

        Liberals to this day still do NOT believe the deductibles are that high. I have looked and looked and LOOKED at the plans. I (who have never spent even one night in the hospital and am perfectly healthy) will have to either DOUBLE my monthly premium payments for a total of $9,800 a year OR have a $6,000 deductible and pay $4,800 a year. Since I never get sick and have never in my life spent $6,000 in one year for medical care, what’s the point in throwing this money away?? Because I’m 47 I WILL get health insurance because I’m not completely stupid but tell that to someone half my age and see what THEY say about that much money going out and nothing coming in for it.

  • Erk

    The whole problem with her, with federal benefits, with all of it is this: Father won’t pay child support. So I should? GO GET HIM

  • DizzyMissL

    Whatever you do, don’t put your personal info in the site. This just came out:

    (Reuters) – The website at the center of U.S. President Barack Obama’s healthcare overhaul has security flaws that put user data at “critical risk” despite recent government assurances it is safe to use, a respected security expert said on Tuesday.

    “There are actual, live vulnerabilities on the site now,” David Kennedy, head of computer security consulting firm TrustedSec LLC, told Reuters before testifying at a congressional hearing on the topic “Is My Data on Secure?”

  • brother_eu

    An el-wingie pinched by her own voting preferences, this time for real? OMG, my heart is so bleeding…..(NOT!)

  • moderate Guy

    Maybe Mizz Stanford can now call 1-800-God-ImStupid and share her updated story there.

  • docscience

    Own it Washington.
    YOU voted for this. TWICE.

    • AngelaE8654

      I’m in Washington and I did NOT vote for this. Ever. :-(

  • civilian target

    Do you think our “transparent” president will reveal the whole story? Nah.. I didn’t think so either.

  • TruthHurts

    I love it. Still she is blinded by the aura of the Almighty Obama and says she is a “I am big Obama fan” despite this ACA being a huge turd.

    …Like lemmings to their eventual demise.

  • Arthur Vandelay

    “It is like a big machine – you put your stuff in there and once you do it, it is impossible to do anything….So you are stuck on this big treadmill of bureaucracy, and you know, it feels very out of control.”

    Welcome to government-run healthcare. This is just a taste of things to come. But you’re a big supporter, so you’ll be ok with it.

    • Caspian

      And that comment from her is simply shocking. She clearly understands the problem with big government and what Obama represents. Yet she will continue to support him.

  • Frustrated

    Do people not understand what health insurance is? It isn’t oh I got sick and now I need to go buy some and they will pay for everything. Look at car insurance. If you don’t have any and you crash your car, you can’t go out and but car insurance and expect them to pay for the damages done. Health insurance isn’t a charity. She pays 250 dollars a month just for her medications. Right there her premium should cost at least that much a month plus all of her other health issues. There are plenty of places she could have worked in the 15 years she and her son has been without. I am sure she is just above that kind of work though.

    • AngelaE8654

      You are right but with all of these high costs, HOW do they plan to convince young, healthy 20-somethings to pay big bucks into the system (pretty much for nothing as they rarely if ever need health care) so the old and infirm can have health care?!?!?!?

      • Caspian

        I think they got wind of the fact that young people won’t be joining Obamacare. Which is why they are flushing out all the 14 million people on private insurance and forcing them to join Obamacare. They know that these people already pay for insurance and are likely healthy and can be forced to subsidize the rest on Obamacare.

        • AngelaE8654

          I don’t think 14 million are going to be able to “carry” everybody else, however. It will have to be a LOT more.

          • Caspian

            Once the exemptions end next year many businesses would start dropping coverage for their employees. And these are people who have an income and would need coverage.

          • AngelaE8654

            Don’t tell that to the liberals. They will call you a “low information fear mongerer”. They did me when I pointed out the SAME exact thing.

          • Caspian

            Well, they all proved to be “low information voters” and it’s hard to find them on these sites any longer defending Obamacare.

          • fawlty

            I hope that this leads to either a real market for individual health insurance or single payer.
            The employer based system has been eroded for years, with many dropping their coverage years ago, and a viable individual market has yet to emerge. Obamacare is a band-aid for the current system, not workable reform.

            Maybe once it kicks in fully it will be a kick in the butt for politicians to actually do something about it.

          • Caspian

            It seems that Obamacare will fail and would have to be replaced. The best way to reduce costs is to unleash competition among insurers. And provide subsidies for the unhealthy so that they can obtain insurance in the private insurance market.

            Single payer like Medicare won’t work for one major reason. Medicare reimburses 75% or less than private insurance. The reimbursements via Medicare is not sufficient for even upkeep of hospitals and many have been bankrupted when the ratio of Medicare patients have gone up. And the only reason why Medicare gets away with low reimbursements is because hospitals and doctors simply pass on those costs to private insurance, thereby increasing premiums for those with private insurance.

  • Sheesh


  • Linus in W.PA.

    A quote from Sanford…”I am a big Obama fan.”

    Unfortunately, Ms. Sanford, you are also a complete idiot.

  • Racerx03

    Gee Jessica, if you’re “a big Obama fan.” then you must love the “big treadmill of bureaucracy” that you’re on…oh, it’s not working out so good? I wonder why…Jessica, the ACA “Obamacare” is a design for failure. They want people like you to fail until you beg for a single payer system and create the (commiunist) utopia the left dreams of.

    • Caspian

      2014 and 2016 are going to be decisive elections. Hopefully most of all democratic congressmen in purple states that supported Obamacare will be flushed out. And this can be repealed.

      • Racerx03

        Unfortunately, I’ve said this from day one, it will never be repealed..why? when it’s the biggest lobbying $ boom ever and the RINOS just point across the isle..and say, they passsed it, our hands are tied, boo-hoo…the ONLY hope is the article 5 method through the states, read Mark Levine’s new book!

        • Caspian

          Republicans have voted over 40 times in the House to repeal Obamacare in a symbolic move. I bet they would do it in a heartbeat if there was a chance to get this passed in the Senate.

  • Mikeyh0

    Poor girl. A deadbeat ex-husband and a government that gives her hope but quickly changes that to “No, we can’t.” All those living in communist countries know your pain. The state is not your friend, benefactor, father, husband, lover or whatever. It will become you master if you let it. Just ask the generations of welfare recipients. None of them can even take care of themselves without massa feeding and housing them. Don’t be like them, girl. Grow a spine, go after your ex, stop sniveling. You have kids to take care of. Grow up.

  • Swamprat

    Please, can someone tell me what is affordable about the
    “Affordable Care Act”???
    All I hear is how expensive it is.

  • bowman

    It would be helpful iof articles like this didn’t promote the fantasy that the penalty for not having health insurance is $95.

    For 2014, if you don’t have health insurance and you don’t qualify for an exemption, you’ll have to pay a penalty of $95 per adult plus $47.50 per child (The flat dollar amount is reduced by 50% for dependents under the age of 18 and that amount caps at a maximum of $285 for a family) or 1% of your household income,
    whichever is GREATER.

    So she’s looking at the greater of (95 + half of $47.50) or 1% of her taxable income (taxable income defined for an individual as your income minus $10,000). So for her almost $50,000 per year income her tax penalty for Obamacare would total almost $400.

    TO see how the calculation works

    • fawlty

      Look at those exceptions as well. If the cost for the “bronce” plan would exceed 8% of your income, you don’t have to pay a penalty.
      And frankly, if they don’t you should get the insurance anyway, IMO.

      This woman seems to be prone to idiocy.

  • Mark

    And this is just in the new health insurance system…..can you imagine what it would be like if that bureaucracy ran the health care delivery system like the single-payer advocates want?

  • thohan

    If I may go a bit OT: It pretty much has to be Ben Carson in 2016. Not because of his views, but because of his skin color. There are too many people that put a premium on that, sadly, but it’s about winning and nothing else.

    It doesn’t hurt that Dr. Carson is an all-around good egg as far as I can determine.

    • Ricard

      …yet…somehow, if neo-racists like Oprah are given a choice between a black Republican and a white Democrat, guess who gets their vote?

      • thohan

        True. At least we would get to enjoy their vaudevillian displays of cognitive dissonance. So, there’s that.

        • Ricard

          …”cognitive dissonance”…so much of that to be observed among progressives these days…

  • Sullivan

    What a dipwad! Blaming the state of Washington when it’s the state that Washington D.C. is in that is to blame. Well, actually just those dipwads who said “pass the bill, we’ll worry about the details later.” Do any of them know that later has arrived? Somebody ask Pelosi please!

  • Chance Barns

    “Under the terms of the Affordable Care Act, she will have to pay a penalty of $95.”WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! She will pay 1% of her gross income, or roughly $500. Remember it says, “$95, or 1% of your income, whichever is greater.”

    • bowman

      Technically for a single person its the greater of

      1) $95 per adult plus $23.75 per child under 18 years old plus $47.50 per child over 19 years old with the cap per family using that method of calculation as $285. Or…

      2) 1% of (gross income minus $10,000)

      So her tax penalty for Obamacare would be roughly $400 in the first year. But the good news is that, if her income shrunk to zero, her tax penalty for Obamacare would be only $118.75 (rolleyes) So if anyone actually told her it was only $95, she was lied to by those in the system yet again.

      And that penalty is only that small in 2014. The penalty increases each year until you get coverage. For example, in 2016, the fee will be $695 per adult plus $347.50 per child (or half that for children under 18 years old) (with a maximum of $2,085 per family) or 2.5% of family income, whichever is greater.

      • fawlty

        “But the good news is that, if her income shrunk to zero, her tax penalty for Obamacare would be only $118.75 (rolleyes)”

        No, if you have income so low that you wouldn’t have to file taxes (which $0 is, definitely), you don’t pay a penalty.

  • Daystrom2012

    A little less than $50,000 a year with only 1 child and you were not able to afford to get insurance. Something’s wrong here. Get rid of the new car, the xbox the cable,etc..and the $250 a month for so-called adhd meds,try disciplining the kid and watching his diet. I have 3 kids and my wife works part time and we make it and home school as well, have insurance,and we don’t make much more than 50,000 a year without help from the federal gov’t including osamacare. I have an artificial heart valve but will work until I die(which under osamacare may be sooner than I think) and not whine about it(too much anyway). My biggest beef is that she has no beef with the Trojan horse. It reminds me of the newsreels I used to see of the women swooning over Hitler,history is repeating itself.

    • Arthur Vandelay

      “I make $50k and can’t afford health insurance” means “I’d rather spend my money on something else.” Grownups have to make choices. Growing up is hard.

  • swineo

    That looks like a pretty big kitchen she’s standing in? How much is her car payment? Rent? She needs to downsize so that she can pay for her own decisions.

  • Beedogs

    Congressman Joe Wilson is owed an apology from those who censored him for his comment “You Lie” during the state of the union teleprompter reading by present-dent Bumbling Barry Oblamo the Community Agitator Liar and Thief.

  • Herbert Kitchener

    The sad thing is that this ditzy woman still believes in Obama and ObamaCare.

  • RickT

    Why is she bellyaching? Oh, I get it .. if she got on the government tit and got subsidized, it is a great thing. Now, that she has to pay for “free” healthcare (and pay dearly), it sucks! Well, it sure ain’t Affordable now is it? Probably very affordable to some illegal, some welfare queen, or some loser who leaches off the rest of society … paid for by taxpayers.

  • rodg

    this lowlife is a good little democrap. take it and smile, enjoy yourself as we are all getting a cornholeshot

    • Ricard

      Thor, Thor, Thor…let’s not start sounding like the progressives. There’s some cold water being thrown in the ‘government is my provider’ worldview. I at least welcome the chance that the those who are getting what they wished for may start seeing the world as it is, and start coming around a bit.

  • gvanderleun

    What a slobbering parasite.

  • Amercan111

    I am…speechless…but in no way surprised.

  • DizzyMissL
  • zach v

    Dumb hick.

  • dave

    good,i have no sympathy for this fool.

  • Enoughalready

    She likely voted for the current occupant of the WH so she got what she voted for

  • John Golling

    Ha HA Ha a reality check for one of the racist sheeple. Next time you vote don’t look at the skin color or the R/D but the issues that will support the Republic.

  • Selbo

    How clueless can you be?

  • jackcandobutwont

    WHAT A SHOCK!! SO are goig to tust the Govt with your healthcare? The same govt that has screwed up pretty much everything they have gotten their hands on!!!
    And you want to know how well your medical will be look at the VA Admin!~!!

  • DizzyMissL

    This is the WA healthcare plan FB page–read the comments. The folks are pissed

  • KevinWarren

    Another frigging liberal that doesn’t like the medicine she herself prescribed. Tough sh!t lady. You voted for it. Deal with it.

  • richard40

    So another headline obamacare fan ends up once again being bogus, and got nothing from it but a $95 fine. It seems like everytime Obama calls out somebody who supposedly benefitted from Obamacare, it turns out to be bogus.

  • tony w

    Look in the mirror to see what stupid looks like

  • Debbies21

    This woman is a dolt. She was used & abused by Obama. The only reason they used her name in the first place is she was probably the only one to write a letter.

    If her child has such outstanding medical bills, that’s where you claim it on your taxes.

  • Nathan Berg

    she’s not just “going without”, she’s gonna get fined from the r-tard that she sent that thank-you letter to. HA, HA, HA!!!!!

  • ahabdearab

    Besides her monthly payment that was too much what was her deductible?

  • Ralph Sampson

    Poor liberal moron. I’m sure Obama feels her pain, and will give it his full attention.

    • Bruce Darling

      Between rounds of golf.

  • raddogz

    race is in no way any part of the issue. it seems only true racists aren’t owning up to the fact he is truly, by any measurable means, the worst president this country has ever had. period (like that little pun? lol)

  • Theresa Klein

    This is the reality of all socialist systems. You start with this idea that people should share and people in society should care for one another. But the reality is that bureaucrat in some office 1000 miles away doesn’t know you, and doesn’t care about you. You’re just a number to them. One more statistic in a vast impersonal machine. It is not a coincidence that real socialist states inspired dystopian sci-fi novels.

  • John Scotus

    The administration and the MSM only wanted her for her testimonial on the wonders of Obamacare. Now they don’t need her. Move along. Nothing to see here.

    • Ricard

      Progressives use the people they need to further their agenda then discard them. Sad, but true.

  • Anon ymous

    She “has no beef with Obama and still believes in the ACA.” These liberal morons will never learn. You just can’t fix stupid. I have no sympathy for this dumb woman.

  • DianeB5

    Actually, the penalty will be 1% of her income.

  • Kingiddings

    I think she needs a wambulance! She has NOT paid for insurance for 15 years and signs up as a 48 year old with a child who has to take expensive medication. Her premiums will be under $400 for excellent coverage! That’s 1/2 the amount for private individual coverage! Going from 0 to $380 will be an adjustment, but gee, we’ve been paying a heck of a lot more a month for decades! Time to understand that treatments for heart disease and cancer are expensive if you need them. With out insurance you will be bankrupt quickly and lose everything you own!

    • Joyce Clemons

      What about her deductible? And is she aware that if she was itemizing health deductions, that amount is to be reduced now? So she gets to pay a $500 penalty on top of that. And still no insurance. That kid’s father ought to be paying for his health insurance, not her. And not Medicaid. I’d rather see some government money used to go after the dead beat dad than paying the child’s health care with tax-funded Medicaid. I doubt she’d be forced into bankruptcy for medical bills.



  • James92203

    I absolutely have no pity for her whatsoever!!! You made your bed, now lie in it.

    • Liberal Hater

      What I love is that these idiots think that when Obama and Democrats talk about soaking the rich and paying fair share, they’re not talking about THEM. $50,000 is more than most people make these days, and is in the top percent of income for the world in general. YOU ARE RICH and THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU. WAKE UP.

  • DianeB5

    Using the subsidy calculator at the Kaiser Foundation website here:

    I inputted her age as 48, income $49,000, no tobacco users.

    Premiums are as follows:

    Without subsidy:

    $361.50 a month for a silver plan for one person

    $272 for a bronze plan for one person


    With subsidy:

    $387.91 silver plan for two people

    $263.58 bronze for two people

    It’s not clear from the article what the copays and out of pocket maximum are for the Apple Health Medicaid program, but it might be worth it to keep her son in the program, if possible.

    Also, the penalty is not $95 for most people. It’s $95 or 1% of household income, whichever is higher. That’s for the first year. After the first year, it increases.

    • JamesInCA

      Yes, something really seems wrong with the arithmetic here. I put her info in (age, county, income, dependent child) at the WA exchange, and it came up with a Bronze plan for $280/mo after a $46 subsidy.

      The prescription copay is $50. That means her base monthly cost is $280 + $50 for her son’s ADHD meds (assuming there’s no suitable generic, at half the copay), or a total of $330/mo. Since she’s already paying $250/mo for the ADHD meds, that means an incremental cost of $80/mo gets full coverage for her and her son.

      Granted, the $6350 annual out-of-pocket max may be “unaffordable.” But “unaffordable” is relative: It’s a lot more affordable than a $100,000 heart attack with no coverage. With the “unaffordable” insurance, she’ll be able to go to the in-network doctor(s) of her choice, who will be paid by the insurer, and only have to deal with collectors coming after her for $6350, instead of $100,000. In one case you lose your house; in the other you don’t.

      • DianeB5

        Excellent points. The premium is much better than the $500 to $600 a month she was faced with before the ACA.

      • fawlty

        She’s clearly not the most rational of persons.

  • BOZ13

    “Under the terms of the Affordable Care Act, she will have to pay a penalty of $95.”

    Um, NO, she will have to pay closer to $500 the first year as the penalty is $95 per adult or 1% of income, whichever is highest.

    • fawlty

      Actually, most likely she wouldn’t pay a penalty at all, since the premiums would be more than 8% of her income.

      Also, what people with schadenfreude are forgetting is that the insurance before ACA was even more expensive, if she would’ve been accepted at all.

  • Angi White

    Wow. I’m no Obama fan, I didn’t vote for him, but at least I’m not self-righteously judgmental, bashing someone I don’t know and really know nothing about. Has it really come down to hurling low-ball insults at someone instead of having intelligent debate, education and movement towards fixing things? Sad.

    • Ricard

      Angi, I think you’ll find some intelligent debate here…don’t paint with such a large brush lest it spatter you in the process. ;-)

      That being said, there is something remark-worthy about someone who, when directly experiencing the duplicity that she has, isn’t quite yet motivated to resolve her contradiction.

      • Angi White

        I see nowhere in my post that I said that I saw ONLY this behavior, that there was NO intelligent debate, and I never said that EVERYONE was hurling insults. My statement was not an absolute.

        “Remark-worthy” does not necessitate calling someone names like “hick,” “moron,” or “stupid.” She made a mistake and has yet to learn from it. Some people just take longer to understand a situation than others.

        • Ricard

          Perhaps, but nothing in your original post assures that your ‘revised and extended’ conclusion could be reached.

          • Angi White

            No revision or extension to change the conclusion. You simply made assumptions regarding my original post. I simply pointed out that the words necessary to reach a conclusion that my post blanketed all people, were not there. Nothing in my original post assures that anyone would come to the same conclusion you did and you’re the one who brought up “Remark-worthy,” I simply remarked on the name calling, remarks don’t require name calling.

          • Ricard

            “You simply made assumptions regarding my original post.”

            No…I simply took the plain meaning of the words that were presented. What verbiage was present to indicate that you were not encompassing the entire thread in your comment? There was no non-universal qualifier present like ‘why do so many of you…’.

          • Angi White

            And nowhere is there verbiage to indicate that I was encompassing everyone. It’s strictly your interpretation based on your own assumption. If I meant everyone, I would have said everyone. So there was no need to say “why do many of you.” Please feel free to point out the exact verbiage that indicates that my remark encompassed everyone. If you can’t, your position is invalid and this debate will come to an end.

          • Ricard

            Here is your description of the thread:

            “Wow. I’m no Obama fan, I didn’t vote for him, but at least I’m not self-righteously judgmental, bashing someone I don’t know and really know nothing about. Has it really come down to hurling low-ball insults at someone instead of having intelligent debate, education and movement towards fixing things? Sad.”

            There is no qualifier that indicates a portion or subset. You indicate that you see “hurling low-ball insults at someone instead of having intelligent debate” without an exclusion, expressing the result that that none (intelligent debate) can be found.

          • Angi White

            No, that was your assumption, there is nowhere that says that it applies to everyone. By your logic, there is no qualifier either direction. It is strictly your assumption. There is no exclusion or inclusion. This debate while interesting at first, has now reached the uninteresting stage. You are entitled to read things however you would like and make assumptions, but that doesn’t make it fact, only opinion and assumption. Have a nice day.

          • Ricard

            And you as well.

    • Liberal Hater

      You are an idiot.

      • Ricard

        Ah…another progressive troll arrives…

  • Peter Pan

    I think under the affordable care act she’ll have to pay about $500/year not $95, due to her income. So if that’s correct, I look forward to the follow-up article about how upset she is again about how the same stupid policies she supported now hurt her even more than she thought.

    • quiktek

      Getting her kid healthcare saved her $2500 year just on the drugs. So still up 2k, probably not that upset.

      • Ricard

        …um..that would be $500 per MONTH for a total of $12,000 per year penalty she’ll be paying because of Obamacare…should she choose tot go that route.

        • fawlty

          No. It’s per year. And it would be around $400

          • Ricard

            No. The ACA states that the penalty for not signing up for health insurance is $95, or 1% of annual gross income, whichever is greater, per month not covered. If your gross income is $50,000, and you don’t sign up for health insurance for that year, your penalty is $50,000 * .01 * 12 or $6000.

          • fawlty

            No. It’s PER YEAR. Not per month. Don’t know how much clearer I can say it. And it’s $400, because you deduct the first $10k.

          • Ricard

            I stand corrected…

  • htownlawman

    this woman reminds me of a battered wife syndrome, No matter how mauch Obama her husband lies, and cheats, she still stands by her man. Amazing! I guess the Affordable care act , an’t so Affordable.

  • htownlawman

    socialized medicine never works people, there’s no free lunch, somebody has to pay. Obama lied to the american people, now he’s got in that lie. If obama really wanted to help people, why didnt he just raise the income level of Medicaid to 65,000 dollars and this woman would have a problem.

  • Swamprat

    The government says:
    “Yes we can”
    but actually means
    “NO YOU CAN’T”

  • Liberal Hater

    She has to be a complete moron if she still believes in Obama and Obamacare. Even when you got it up the behind raw from the law, you still can’t bring yourself to admit you made huge mistake that has now ruined millions?

  • Kareem OfWheat

    The new face of monumentally STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Naomi

    I don’t understand. If she says she’s been getting bills of $500-$600 a month just for prescriptions, then why would a health insurance plan that covers all that (as I assume you wouldn’t buy one that didn’t, that would be silly) and costs $450 a month be any strain on her budget. She’ll be getting coverage for all that but at the same cost of her son’s pills…. I feel shenanigans. Not that I like Obamacare AT ALL, because I don’t, but it sounds like a bigger deal is being made of this particular case than there needs to be. It makes no sense!

    • Ricard

      There are deductibles and co-pays to consider that add to that $450 a month. But you’re right..the article should factor those in.

  • Tim Harris

    and she’s still an obuma fan? With what kind of mind control does this pied piper deceive?

  • Ungerm

    Part of the problem is the deadbeat dad who doesn’t pay child support. Go get him, seems like IRS, FBI, NSA has plenty time on their hands.

  • Galt2100

    There are two kinds of Democrats – 1) psychopaths who see election to office as a license to steal, and 2) the idiot sheep who desperately want to be lied to, who vote for them.

    This woman is pathetically looking for the government to be her surrogate mommy and daddy. “She still believes in Obamacare.”

    The Democrat Party is not a political party at all. It’s an organized crime syndicate.

    • Ricard

      Can I add a third type? Those who remember JFK and Scoop Jackson and think those types of Democrats are still around.

  • Rob

    “The savings were tremendous. Thanks to the tax credit, Sanford qualified for a discount of $452 a month. “I was looking at it, and you know, it was like it was amazing. How was I supposed to know?”
    FREE MONEY FROM OBAMA!!! ISNT IT WONDERFUL!! How stupid can you be?? Well from the picture she doesn’t look like the sharpest knife in the drawer. How was I supposed to know?? If you go to the Kaiser foundation calculator and put in her information including picking any zip code from Olympia Washington the subsidy IS ZERO. You would think one of the presidents lackeys would verify her subsidy. I mean that’s what I would do before I told the president “Hey mention this lady and the free money you gave her in your speech.”

  • Rob

    Why did she breed with a dead beat dad and why doesn’t government go after him to support his child instead of handing the bill to taxpayers. I would require these people to be chemically sterilized or have birth control implants before any government aid is given. I guess every lefty thinks “Hey isn’t that great. The sperm donor doesn’t pay so we have another Obama supporter on the hook.” I bet the state is looking real hard for the dad too.

    • Rob

      And before some dolt says “HEY she works!!” maybe if deadbeat dad paid support she wouldn’t need Medicaid to provide healthcare for her child. She could maybe buy a policy all on her own.

  • fred

    Government is not the solution, It is the problem.

  • lesstressrx

    But reporting today on Rush Limbaugh, she still doesn’t blame Obama for her problems. This is way pass being stupid or ignorant. Sounds like she deserves exactly what she is getting. No sympathy from me.

    • Ricard

      In a way I sympathize with her. She’s been told/mislead by official sources, her schools, the media for years that she’s either a victim, underpaid, getting screwed by the rich, etc., any or all of the above that would place her in line for freebie at the expense of others. Also that Obama is great and wonderful and what he says needs no fact-checking because it’s all true!

      Now that reality has intruded showing that she’s NOT any of these things, and Obama CAN’T be believed, I can understand how the civic vertigo can be hard to overcome.

  • lan

    Silly Barrybagger looking for a handout. You are no longer useful to dear leader.

  • Larry McAwful

    Wow. Her “helpful” insurance broker stepped in and promptly looked into getting her son removed from Medicaid. What a guy!

    Anyone who thinks private insurance companies have your best interests at heart is a naïve idiot.

    • Ricard

      …anyone who thinks Obama has your best interest at heart is even more so.

    • Montana Girl

      With what she makes, her son should not be on medicaid.

      My sister is a single mom of 2 with no child support and she makes 40K a year and she does not receive any help from the taxpayer. She pays for a moderate fee for insurance through her employer. Her younger son battled a rare form of stomach cancer and was never on medicaid. We, her family, church and friends helped her with anything we could including taking care of her older son when she was in the intensive care with her son and helping her pay her rent and some medical bills when ever she need it.

      It’s what family is suppose to do. Not look toward the taxpayer

  • malcom

    can you say useful idiot. Stupid white liberals.

  • Dustin W. Taunton

    She gets bent over without the love and is still a fan…WOW!!!

  • Daniel M. Burns

    Just took it up the s–tpipe by Oblahblah and she still supports him? That’s a special kind of stupid.

    • Vin

      You said it.

  • Sylveria

    Well Lady, you wanted your ACA, you got it. You don’t get to actually benefit from it and if anything it’ll make getting private insurance even more difficult/expensive and the cost of your kids medicine will probably jump about 30%, but hey, you got your law made!

    And I’d love to hear exactly why she’s an Obama fan. What has he done for her, for anyone, to actually engender a fandom? If anything, he has actively harmed and humiliated her on a national level. She’s going to be a joke for at least the next year. Also, I’d pose that question to anyone who’s an Obama supporter.. why?

    • Montana Girl

      Yep, she has no beef with Obama and doesn’t want it to be a political thing…… Well Jessica, This is exactly Obuma’s plan and you voted for it so you own it. Go ahead and cut down everywhere else to pay for your health needs, like going out to dinner, movies, hair cuts….. just like every other American trying to make it. Then when your favorite restaurant and hair dresser go out of business you can blame republicans while you sip your kool-aid

  • Iseeabadmoonrising

    Swallow your sweet medicine, Jessie. Idiot!


    The Obama Spoof continues

  • Bob

    Only 50,000 a year???? I’m a single father, no child support, no food stamps, no medicaid, three children, two with costly medical needs, and 31000 a year, and I work for the government. Not everybody working for uncle sam makes 120000. On top of that, two furloughs this year, and no raise in 4. What the fuck is she complainig about?? A broke ass system that will never be right! Welcome to the world of the underpaid and broke! It’s her own fault for supportinf this assfuck anyway.

  • almostasenior

    Seniors are not included in the ACA and many of them have a yearly income under 25k and pay 350 to 400 a month for medicare, secondary insurance and prescription coverage. I think someone who makes 45 to 50 k and can’t afford a health care plan needs to tighten their budget a little and then they would be able to pay for a bronze or silver health care plan.

  • mxdad65

    Wake up America this is Hillery’s ACA Obumer is is just a Clinton mouth piece put in charge to take the initial heat of a failed program

  • Djinn

    This is what Obama had in mind when he said “Hope and Chains”.

  • Biff Sarin

    Quote from Article-”I don’t want to be bashing the president. I don’t want to be bashing the ACA. I don’t want to come across as saying that. I am a big Obama fan.

    But to me there is a big problem with the way the state is handling it.”

    Holy Cow!!! Talk about ‘drinking the kool-aid’! It looks like this woman could end up in a situation where she can’t afford ANY plans under O-Care and THEN will be forced to pay a penalty of AT LEAST $95 (the actual penalty is higher if your AGI is above $19,500 as this woman’s is). Yet, she blames the state for all of it and believes that O-Care isn’t directly responsible? Wow, I can’t figure out if she is just naive’ or flat out ignorant.

  • jtgardin

    I would like to read you a letter from a woman in Nebraska:
    Dear President Obama,
    I hate to work, so I lay around and make babies for a living. Thanks to your Affordable Health Care Act, I can now sign up for free services and get a toaster and a cell phone at the same time at no cost. Please send money! Cigarettes are are almost out of my reach. Sorry Jessica, Cool is your fool not mine.

  • Mr Right Brain

    Make you sick, bankrupt you then put you in jail when you cant pay your debt.
    Great way to take over a country.
    Crash their economy- Check –
    Destroy their military moral and structure- check
    Turn the people against eachother -check
    Commit insane crime against humanity, in the name of the United states making everyone around the world hate us. – check
    Currupt the morals of our people -check
    Release your media propaganda storm burn the system and its people and sneak away during the destruction, starting the maniacal cycle all over again -in the process.

    And you people will sit and argue about things you will never be able to control, and screw eachother just out of spite.

    Stay classy America

  • Macus Walker

    These morons vote for the illegal traitor and baby killer, and they get what they asked for. Imbecile is too nice a word to call intolerant, bigoted, normalphobic, liberal democRATS.

  • scott lawrence

    I FOUND OUT! As a former die-hard supporter of both President Obama & the Affordable Care Act, I am dismayed to see nothing but HUGE deductibles, ENORMOUS premiums, BIG co-pays & GIANT holes in coverage! Questions are not answered, calls are not returned & I remain uninsured. Although this puts me in political agreement with many with whom I strongly disagree, I must say, THE PROGRAM IS A HUGE RIPOFF FOR CONSUMERS AND A GIANT GIFT TO BIG PHARMA. UNTIL WE HAVE A SINGLE-PAYOR SYSTEM FOR EVERYONE, WE DO NOT HAVE A HEALTH CARE SYSTEM!

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  • Guest

    Still not a fan of the ACA. This is a little too extreme left wing for me despite my strong opposition to the right wing nutjobs. The single payer model other nations use is what works. Period. Simply put we’re a spoiled nation on low taxes. Yes let’s pay $30 a month for crap medicaid coverage that gives out LESS than what universal free care in other nations dole out. Anyone that has been on that knows how much BS there is on it and how much is not covered on it. In my state of Washington for example there is no adult dental or vision care at all but there is for minors so her kid would be fine.

    This is all good in general for the middle class as far as a cost savings go but down here in the lower class, it’s merely complicated it and forced medical insurance or a tax “penalty” on those of us in the cracks where we do fine overall. Simply put I just won’t be divulging that information to the IRS and will simply claim exempt on my W4. Screw this noise. :P

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  • Erinsong

    $50000 a year? She can buggar off…..

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  • Tina Prewitt McMahon

    In theory it was a wonderful and needed opportunity. Between all the regulations and not having a realistic view of how my h income it takes for basic living expenses. This program has a multitude of flaws. My child qualifies for low cost health insurance from the government, but I don’t? The cheapest policy I could find is 460.00 dollars a month. I was offered a 78.00 dollar tax credit. That brought my share to 386.00 dollars a month. The personal deductible is 5,000 dollars before they will cover ANYTHING! Even after that much is only covered eighty percent. There is no coverage for vision or dental care. Some prescriptions won’t be covered at all. What does this mean for me? I’m getting a penalty for being financially unable to pay for a program that I had no input on. They’ve shifted the cost of healthcare for the poor and basically put it on the middle class. I’m sure it’s great for folks who are are extremely poor. I couldn’t afford healthcare in the old system. I can’t afford healthcare now. The added bonus is that each year I get punished for not having healthcare. We barely afford basic living expenses. I live in Washington state. The rents are skyrocketing, and I’ve medical conditions that cost or exceed the little I have to put towards that. If I have to pay such a high monthly amount and then have a bloated personal deductible. I will have nothing to pay for my doctor and prescriptions each month. I’m disgusted and depressed over all of this. My family financial situation under this system precludes me from EVER having health insurance.